Brandon Beane on Eric Wood's podcast today (salary cap, off-season schedule, & favorite wing spot)

[Buffalo03]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I like Beane but the biggest reason he is in the situation he is with the cap can be traced directly to his terrible personnel decisions in 2018.

 

He spent $100M on total garbage in free agency.........and actually paid out a ton of that even when he should have been cutting bait later in those contracts.

 

He has gotten much more efficient on the job but it's been a gradual climb from terrible to mediocre to improved levels of efficiency.

 

Blaming the cap situation on the cap figure dropping due to covid is a cop-out........but the truth is if he were honest about the fact that he was terrible wrt pro personnel and cap management in his first couple years there would be nothing to gain from that honesty whatsoever.   Just more criticism.    

 

He has basically faked it til' he's made it.........and NOW that he has a better grasp on what he's doing he really needs to put that expensive experience to work and knock it out of the park in the next few offseasons.

 

As I've said before,  Howie Roseman wasn't always a great GM.........he grew into it.    Beane needs to build off of the successes in recent drafts and the more efficient(if not always satisfying) results he's gotten in free agency.    Also needs to be a bit more ruthless, IMO.  

What big contracts did he sign players to in 2018? I know Trent Murphy was a bad signing but guys like Robert Foster, Chris Ivory and all that didn't cost a ton of money and I don't think he restructured that much back then. It wasn't until after 2020 that he started to really do that. And that was 6 years ago. You're really gonna blame our cap problem from a situation 6 years ago? That team wasn't good enough to be handing out restructures and big contracts so unless you can show some examples, I have no clue what you're talking about. He had bad cintracts that carried over from the previous regime. You just sound like a Beane hater. His second year as a GM, he made moves to get us in the playoffs and has done it consistently since. You make it sound like it was a gradual process years in the making and he is just now starting to get it. Are you kidding me?

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

What big contracts did he sign players to in 2018? I know Trent Murphy was a bad signing but guys like Robert Foster, Chris Ivory and all that didn't cost a ton of money and I don't think he restructured that much back then. It wasn't until after 2020 that he started to really do that. And that was 6 years ago. You're really gonna blame our cap problem from a situation 6 years ago? That team wasn't good enough to be handing out restructures and big contracts so unless you can show some examples, I have no clue what you're talking about. He had bad cintracts that carried over from the previous regime. You just sound like a Beane hater. His second year as a GM, he made moves to get us in the playoffs and has done it consistently since. You make it sound like it was a gradual process years in the making and he is just now starting to get it. Are you kidding me?

His worst contract - Star L

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

His worst contract - Star L

Ok. Yeah, but that contract has been off the books for how long? 3 years? Why are we talking about that in 2024? And was Star really THAT terrible?

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok. Yeah, but that contract has been off the books for how long? 3 years? Why are we talking about that in 2024? And was Star really THAT terrible?

He was shocking … he also milked the Covid rules to keep his guaranteed money on the books longer than it should have been…I can’t comment whether it still impacts the roster … obviously not in dollar terms but what they were prevented doing when they had to pay his dead cap…

 

 

Edited January 27 by Aussie Joe

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

He was shocking … he also milked the Covid rules to keep his guaranteed money on the books longer than it should have been…I can’t comment whether it still influences the roster …

 

 

According to the poster that I commented on, his decisions in 2018 when we didn't really have much to play with from the previous regime, he is saying that that still affects our cap situation today. And that's why we still have cap issues. We have cap issues from guys signed in the last couple years, like Von Miller and Dawson Knox but I completely understand why he gave Von the contract he did at the time and the way Von played up until Thanksgiving last season when we got hurt, it looked like it paid off. It only looks bad now because of what has transpired since the injury. The Knox contract I don't understand. But I feel like he has known what he has doing since the beginning and has had a great plan. It's why we have been successful for the last 6 years. The guy was in Carolina for 17 years and worked his way up the ranks and is one of the best GMs in the business now. Saying that he has been slow to grasp things and he is just figuring it out like the other guy did is just flat out wrong

Edited January 27 by Buffalo03

[chongli]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Vons contract should be enough to get this guy out of here. He’s not good enough. We need an upgrade. 

 

I, for one, was not happy when we signed Von, due to the size of his contract plus his age. I wondered at the time how many good years did he have left. I hoped I would be wrong...

Edited January 27 by chongli

[SoonerBillsFan]

Beane has to get better at this ASAP.  And he needs a revamp of his scouting staff.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'm here for Bar Bill

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

I, for one, was not happy when we signed Von, due to the size of his contract plus his age. I wondered at the time how many good years did he have left. I hoped I would be wrong...

And to be fair, the contract up until Von's injury made it seem like he was worth every penny. It only looks bad now because of what happened to Von with his injury. Did Beane overpay for him? You can still make that argument but people should have an understanding of why he did it. It's not like Von was coming off a 2 sack season. He was coming off a 9 sack season and had 8 before he went down in the 2022 season

[Mark Vader]

56 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

I thank the Gods we have Josh Allen I really do, but i cant describe this as a 'thing of beauty' when you consider how we previously traded the Patrick Mahomes pick to KC, i just cant. Not with who Mahomes has turned out to be & with how desperate we were for a QB in 2017, & not with where our 2 franchises are now. Josh Allen sure we drafted him so thats all that counts, but we very easily couldve gotten this pick wrong as well & missed out on both & where would we be today? In all honesty, im surprised we did pick Josh & that its turned out as well as it has. Its not too often things go better than expected around here.

But as far as BILLS seasons go, you could argue everything else is par for the course, with the 1 anomaly being how great Josh Allen is. He on his own makes everyone look like geniuses for picking him & he makes the coaches & players around him better too. But at some point & many of us fans are there right now, thats not enough.

 

Maybe i'm being too hard on the GM & team but theres that saying how a broken clock is right twice a day. We got the clock right the one time with Josh, but 6-7 years later, the rest of the clock is still broken it seems, as we still haven't figured out what makes it even tick. And we're all just hoping now that Beane has figured it all out & will make the right moves. Every one of us will have a different level of faith in this staff's ability to do that now. For me, my faith is shaken to its final threads, given the past few years of self inflicted personnel mistakes. But when you have a Josh Allen, anything is possible i suppose. In Beane we hope...

Here we go again!

 

First, Beane was not here when we traded the pick to Kansas City.

 

Second, there is no way that Mahomes would have had the exact same success in Buffalo than he would have in Kansas City.

He landed with a team with one of the best offensive head coaches in the game, who also does great work with quarterbacks.

He also had players like Travis Kelce & Tyreek Hill on the roster.

Do you really think Mahomes would have survived with the Bills offensive line that Josh Allen had in 2018?

 

Enough with this garbage already! 

[PayDaBill$]

Miller Diggs Knox Elam we spent money and a 1st rd pick & got zip for production.  Can’t have that and be successful 0 return on investment. 

[Doc Brown]

13 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I can’t argue with a lot of what you said here … but the 2018 draft navigation from Beane from pick 21 to 7 ( giving up Glenn and a couple of seconds) to pick Josh Allen ( wrong Josh)  will always be a thing of beauty …

 

This alone will get him into the GM Hall of fame .. and will trump his wasted dollars in that years free agency .. 

 

Plus in 2018 …  he also managed to trade Tyrod Taylor and a cap hit for Pick 65 

We also pry would've had to give up our 2019 first rounder (Ed Oliver) if not for the Watkins trade where we got the Rams 2nd rounder.  The good obviously outweighed the bad in 2018 but Murphy and Star were horrible free agent signings.  He did better the next year with Morse, J. Brown, and Beasley. 

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, BananaB said:

Bills are treading water. Way too many vets have been signed to cover the play younger players they brought in. Beane doesn’t like to give up draft picks for proven players but will sign a guy on his last leg after the player he drafted struggles to get on the field. They ain’t improving because of it. 

 

need more Digg type plays

[BillsFan2313]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's been annoying listening to Beane's excuses for the terrible mistakes with money and pro personnel in general in his first 2-3 seasons.    I've made that point here probably hundreds of times since then.  

 

But I also give him some credit for cleverly avoiding taking any real responsibility for any of it.   That is the way of the con-man and fans eat that confidence up and bought him a lot of runway.  Smart.

 

And it's not like it's a house of cards with him,  he was just terribly unqualified as a personnel and salary cap man when he got the job and has been faking it til' he makes it in that regard.   As pure executive he was immediately a great hire to steady the ship for the Pegula's.   They needed that aspect of his job more than anything because they were floundering.   And I think his personnel work has greatly improved with experience and I expect that to continue.   But he still has ground to make up because of past mistakes.    

 

Jim Overdorf is the cap guy and if I remember correctly Beane even admitted he isn't a cap guy when he got hired.

[Trogdor]

26 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Jim Overdorf is the cap guy and if I remember correctly Beane even admitted he isn't a cap guy when he got hired.

Jim Overdorf is maybe the most ridiculous person in franchise history. Beane talked about Whaley and the bad contracts that they had to get out from all while Jim was still there. To me it all goes back to Pegula's management hierarchy that doesn't work for the Bills or Sabres. The coach not working for the GM and the GM not controlling contracts is just a recipe for disaster.

[zow2]

I enjoy when Jim Overdorf is brought up.  I knew him way back in the day before he became the executive he is now.  Such a weird dude, lol.  

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's been annoying listening to Beane's excuses for the terrible mistakes with money and pro personnel in general in his first 2-3 seasons.    I've made that point here probably hundreds of times since then.  

 

But I also give him some credit for cleverly avoiding taking any real responsibility for any of it.   That is the way of the con-man and fans eat that confidence up and bought him a lot of runway.  Smart.

 

And it's not like it's a house of cards with him,  he was just terribly unqualified as a personnel and salary cap man when he got the job and has been faking it til' he makes it in that regard.   As pure executive he was immediately a great hire to steady the ship for the Pegula's.   They needed that aspect of his job more than anything because they were floundering.   And I think his personnel work has greatly improved with experience and I expect that to continue.   But he still has ground to make up because of past mistakes.    

I absolve Beane from much of the blame for some of the personnel decisions. For instance, do you think that it was Beane's  idea to trade up for Tre Edwards or Kaiir Elam? Or even to draft Ed Oliver at #9? These picks have McDermott written all over them imo, especially given the fact that he gave away Mahomes. Btw I am just as happy with Josh but that is not my point.  We lucked into Josh after McDermott made that rather stupid move..

 

We will find out soon enough who is in charge. Any GM in his right mind would want our 2024 draft to focus on wide receivers for Josh and to reinforce the OL which is aging at (at least at center). Doing this makes sense from a football and an economic point of view. Better receivers and a healthier Josh will draw a lot more fans than a safety, as well as win more games. If we draft a safety in round 1 (which I sadly expect) or even a corner, do you think that this will come from Beane?

I just can't visualize this but as always, jmo.

[BADOLBILZ]

52 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I absolve Beane from much of the blame for some of the personnel decisions. For instance, do you think that it was Beane's  idea to trade up for Tre Edwards or Kaiir Elam? Or even to draft Ed Oliver at #9? These picks have McDermott written all over them imo, especially given the fact that he gave away Mahomes. Btw I am just as happy with Josh but that is not my point.  We lucked into Josh after McDermott made that rather stupid move..

 

We will find out soon enough who is in charge. Any GM in his right mind would want our 2024 draft to focus on wide receivers for Josh and to reinforce the OL which is aging at (at least at center). Doing this makes sense from a football and an economic point of view. Better receivers and a healthier Josh will draw a lot more fans than a safety, as well as win more games. If we draft a safety in round 1 (which I sadly expect) or even a corner, do you think that this will come from Beane?

I just can't visualize this but as always, jmo.

 

 

Thanks to Bills embedded we got to see Beane in action when he was making the picks.    The Cody Ford pick showed his logic at work.   His logic was flawed.   So I assign the picks to him.

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I absolve Beane from much of the blame for some of the personnel decisions. For instance, do you think that it was Beane's  idea to trade up for Tre Edwards or Kaiir Elam? Or even to draft Ed Oliver at #9? These picks have McDermott written all over them imo, especially given the fact that he gave away Mahomes. Btw I am just as happy with Josh but that is not my point.  We lucked into Josh after McDermott made that rather stupid move..

 

We will find out soon enough who is in charge. Any GM in his right mind would want our 2024 draft to focus on wide receivers for Josh and to reinforce the OL which is aging at (at least at center). Doing this makes sense from a football and an economic point of view. Better receivers and a healthier Josh will draw a lot more fans than a safety, as well as win more games. If we draft a safety in round 1 (which I sadly expect) or even a corner, do you think that this will come from Beane?

I just can't visualize this but as always, jmo.

Im interested what you think of them taking a S in Rounds 2 or 3?

[BADOLBILZ]

21 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I can’t argue with a lot of what you said here … but the 2018 draft navigation from Beane from pick 21 to 7 ( giving up Glenn and a couple of seconds) to pick Josh Allen ( wrong Josh)  will always be a thing of beauty …

 

This alone will get him into the GM Hall of fame .. and will trump his wasted dollars in that years free agency .. 

 

Plus in 2018 …  he also managed to trade Tyrod Taylor and a cap hit for Pick 65 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main reason I like Beane is because he got the organization to go all-in on a QB draft prospect for the first time in almost 60 years.

 

They'd never simply used their very first 1st round pick in any draft......or traded up from that pick......to select a college QB.    

 

Not even Jim Kelly had been their top pick........they hedged their bets by selecting TE Tony Hunter at #12 overall and hoped Detroit or someone trading up at #13 would select one of the QB's to help them narrow their decision at pick #14.

 

Beane had conviction about Josh Allen.   You could argue that he could have had MORE given the luck that was necessary for him to make it to 7.   But at least they had targeted their guy.

 

Other Bills attempts to find a QB were always trades of #1's for veterans(RJ and Bledsoe) or moving up from a second pick(Losman) or trading back from a first pick(Manuel). 

 

The Bills organizational lack of conviction about the QB position was the main reason for their relative futility over their history prior to Josh Allen.