Is the #2 WR already on this team?

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Maybe, but I wouldn’t be shocked if someone did a deep dive and proved this false. 
 

I’d love to see his drop % and reception % with short, intermediate, and deep throws. 

I already did the deep dive. He was one of the best in the league this season in basically every category, and if you expand it to the last 3 years or something, he’s still well above average. And the only people that get targeted nearly as much as him downfield are basically all the big name WRs in the league so he’s in great company. He just unfortunately provides nothing else beyond those deep passes. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I like Shakir a lot as far as his improvements go, he really solidfied himself as another viable option for Allen but I don't see him as a #2 WR, great hands shifty WR (much like Davis) but doesn't have the speed you'd like to see or in my opinion the route tree... YET! But I think he will fill that Cole Beasley role with Kincaid for mismatches on the field. We still need to find that guy in the draft imo.

[machine gun kelly]

To the OP, no.

[machine gun kelly]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

I like Shakir a lot as far as his improvements go, he really solidfied himself as another viable option for Allen but I don't see him as a #2 WR, great hands shifty WR (much like Davis) but doesn't have the speed you'd like to see or in my opinion the route tree... YET! But I think he will fill that Cole Beasley role with Kincaid for mismatches on the field. We still need to find that guy in the draft imo.

Shakir will end up as our slot guy so technically the 3rd.  We’ll need to draft a speedy WR with our 1st RD pick.

 

Later, in the 3rd we should draft another.  Enough of the defense crap.  Safeties sure with the 2nd and 4th, but then come back to the offense and bolster the offense.  Eventually we’ll need Morse’s replacement even as good as he’s been  in past years.  He really has been our most consistent O Lineman, but a whole bunch of concussions concerns me.

Edited January 27 by machine gun kelly

[BillsFanForever19]

Not in the technical sense. Shakir could grow into the go to guy on passing downs at WR behind Diggs. But he's a Slot guy.

 

#2 to me is the X WR opposite Diggs on the field. Shakir won't be that guy. You can occasionally throw him Outside in a pinch, but you want him running those middle of the field routes primarily.

 

So, no. We don't have an X reliable enough to replace Davis on the roster ATM.

[Thrivefourfive]

On 1/26/2024 at 8:03 AM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Now that the dust has settled, I’ve really looked at the statistical production of some of our guys. 
 

I knew Shakir had a good year, then I really looked at his production. 
 

He had a PHENOMENAL year. 
 

39 catches and 2 TDs are decent numbers for a ‘#3 WR,’ but can we talk about his 86% catch rate? That is outstanding. Caught 10 of 12 in the playoffs for 2 more TDs as well. 
 

282 Yards after catch? Love it.

15+ yards per reception.

133 QBR when targeted.

 

Ready for this?

 

45 targets. Zero interceptions when Allen looked his way. 
 

57 targets when you add in the postseason. Still zero INTS.

 

Fifty Seven targets. Zero drops. Zero. ZERO. Bills were in the bottom of the drop statistic this season. 
 

I don’t think Shakir should come off the field. He’s the slot WR and should be the #2 WR target. 
 

I’d love data on if he lined up outside when the team went to 2 WR sets after Gabe’s injury, or if he came off the field. 
 

Shakir has shown BIG TIME potential, and it’s the little things that hint to it.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

🦬

I love Shakir, but if he’s the WR2, our WR3 better be better than him 😉

[JerseyBills]

On 1/26/2024 at 11:03 AM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Now that the dust has settled, I’ve really looked at the statistical production of some of our guys. 
 

I knew Shakir had a good year, then I really looked at his production. 
 

He had a PHENOMENAL year. 
 

39 catches and 2 TDs are decent numbers for a ‘#3 WR,’ but can we talk about his 86% catch rate? That is outstanding. Caught 10 of 12 in the playoffs for 2 more TDs as well. 
 

282 Yards after catch? Love it.

15+ yards per reception.

133 QBR when targeted.

 

Ready for this?

 

45 targets. Zero interceptions when Allen looked his way. 
 

57 targets when you add in the postseason. Still zero INTS.

 

Fifty Seven targets. Zero drops. Zero. ZERO. Bills were in the bottom of the drop statistic this season. 
 

I don’t think Shakir should come off the field. He’s the slot WR and should be the #2 WR target. 
 

I’d love data on if he lined up outside when the team went to 2 WR sets after Gabe’s injury, or if he came off the field. 
 

Shakir has shown BIG TIME potential, and it’s the little things that hint to it.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

🦬

Yes, he's a stud, I love how twitchy he is after the catch too. 

Only issue is him being able to play outside but we should go way more 3 wide , which seems like Brady did and ditch the 2 TE looks 

[Pete]

Shakir is the slot, not the #2.  The #2 is Diggs job.  Now go get us a #1 WR Beane, and 4 and a 5 please(that can seperate, catch, run route tree)

[Bill from NYC]

On 1/26/2024 at 11:12 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

This would be Josh Reed becoming the number 2 after Price left. Shakir could put up really good numbers next year but he doesn’t have the attributes to threaten a defense enough as a number 2. He would get clamped on the outside by most corners. Hes absolutely perfect in his role. Let’s get a legit threat in the draft.

Very good anology.

[Warriorspikes51]

In order to overcome another defensive collapse in the divisional round this offense needs 2 legit playmaking WR's added to the roster.  Preferably 3

Diggs
_________  Round 1
Shakir 
Hollywood Brown
_________  Round 2-3

Harty   

Shorter

Edited February 1 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

In order to overcome another defensive collapse in the divisional round this offense needs 2 legit playmaking WR's added to the roster.  Preferably 3

Diggs
_________  Round 1
Shakir 
Hollywood Brown
_________  Round 2-3

Harty   

Shorter

 

Warriorspikes! A somewhat realistic offseason plan? I like it!

 

I think Brown is in that area that is possible. Just have to hope his market stays reasonable and we're willing to go a little high on one of our FA's.

 

But there's still a few small issues I have with this scenario:

 

1.) Harty's gone. There's an out in his contract and given our cap situation, we have to take that contract off our books. Thanks for the Miami return, but we need more from the WR position than he gave us and we have to get money off our books anyway we can.

 

2.) If we did sign a Hollywood Brown level FA to pair with Diggs and Shakir, we wouldn't go back to back in Round 1 and Round 2 on top of it. You're not going to spend a Day 2 pick on a WR that will be no greater than 5th behind Diggs, Shakir, Brown, and a Round 1 WR. 

 

Especially when we have so many holes on the roster and not a lot of money to do it. With what Brown would cost us, we'd need to use 1 of the first 2 picks on another position. More likely 2 of the first 3 elsewhere (especially if we used Round 1 on a WR).

 

It's more likely a Kaiir Elam/Christian Benford double dip situation. Would be 1 in Round 1 or Round 2 and then another on Day 3. Somewhere between Round 4 and Round 6.

 

The only possible way I see us going Round 1 and Round 2 or even Round 1 and Round 3 on WR is if we aren't able to get a veteran FA that they liked. So, yeah, it's either the Day 1 and Day 2 Double Dip or Hollywood (or like FA WR) and 1 WR in the first two Rounds. It won't be both.

 

3.) We won't be keeping 7 WR's. We only kept 5 this season. I see that number going up to 6 this season, our usual. But I don't see 7. 

 

But, yeah! I like what you're cooking here. Based on last year, I half expected to see you say sign Higgins in FA, Trade for Davante, and Draft a WR in Round 1 and Round 2 lol

 

I think we're kind of on the same page here for once. I just see it more like:

 

Diggs

(Round 1 or 2)

Shakir

Hollywood (or similar level FA)

(Round 4 to 6)

Shorter 

 

Combine that with ascending weapons like Kincaid and Cook and I think we're in much better shape than last season.

Edited February 2 by BillsFanForever19