Bills Offensive Coordinator Interviews have started according to Jeremy Fowler

[hondo in seattle]

If you want to win a Lombardi and your Head Coach is a defensive guy, you need a great OC.  

 

The opposite is true, too.  That's why Reid has Spags.   They're an excellent combo.  

 

Brady is just okay.  I suppose it's possible to surround him with enough great coaches that our offense becomes great.   Ideally, though, we'd have a creative genius with great leadership skills as our OC.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 hours ago, Billever76 said:

Does anyone think McDermott would allow an oc to come in here and run the offense how he sees fit? I know that won't happen.it happened with daboll and mcd isn't gonna let some oc come and wreck his vision....the process is surrounding yourself with all yes men that obey apparently 

Absolutely bc McDermott only wants an oc who is gonna run the offense how he wants..no proven oc is coming here to ve told how he is allowed to run an offense

Is it though? The rift between dabol and McDermott was over the way dabol ran the offense..mcd has a certain way he believes this offense needs to be and by damned that's the way its gonna be.......so mcd will hire guys who have little to no exp as oc and have them run his process

That is a 100% guess. 

[JROC INTEL]

10 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Am I the only one that doesn't want Brady?  I was fine with giving him an opportunity, but the passing game was really bad under him.  Like it takes a special coordinator to see that big of a drop off in Diggs.  Brady's only solution to Diggs was screen passes.  Is that the coordinator you want?

 

He was fired in Carolina.

 

He gets way too much credit for that LSU offense.  He wasn't even the sole OC.   He was so new in the position, my guess he was more of a coffee runner at LSU.

I guess i’m confused. After he took over for Dorsey the team completely turned things around to make it to the 2nd seed. In my eyes it could not have gone any better. 
 

As for diggs, he was getting plenty of targets. Him and Josh just were not in sync all season. I have to put it on Diggs because Shakir looked amazing all season. Which leads me to believe it’s not just bad scheme. 
 

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

If you want to win a Lombardi and your Head Coach is a defensive guy, you need a great OC.  

 

The opposite is true, too.  That's why Reid has Spags.   They're an excellent combo.  

 

Brady is just okay.  I suppose it's possible to surround him with enough great coaches that our offense becomes great.   Ideally, though, we'd have a creative genius with great leadership skills as our OC.  

 

Does McDermott ALLOW total offensive autonomy for his OC? Would he want to or be able to hire the kind of candidate you profile above?

[billsfan89]

I think it will be Brady but they should kick the tires on some other canidates. 

[BillMafia716ix]

Eric Bienemy wouldn’t be a bad look. Has experience with superstar QB’s and star Tight Ends. 

[billieve420]

Bieniemy intrigues me. Seems like he can be an a hole at times but we could use someone being the bad cop and pushing players.

 

Thought he did a solid job in Washington getting out of Reid's shadow which was the biggest question surrounding him.

[Ayjent]

The offensive gameplan against KC was perfect and executed very well.  I liked Brady.  It wasnt fireworks but it was good situational football that was a stark contrast to Dorsey's playcalling that melted when it mattered.  The problem with the playoff loss was that the D did not show up...again. We all understand the injuries had their impact but the D was completely ineffective but for a fumble and one forced punt. 

 

Do they need more weapons on Offense?  Yeah they do and its no surprise to see the Bills and Gabe Davis fine with parting ways. However, the willingness to be tougher more physical team on offense is the right philosophy.  They just need a complimentary thumping back to Cook, preferably one that is also a receiving threat and a 1b WR that is able to adjust to throws and win contested catches.  Josh trusted Gabe too much in that role and Gabe for either a lack of ability (he is a bit of a stiff WR when it comes to adjusting) or lack of desire wasnt consistent in fighting to win those battles leading to turnovers.  He did from time to time, but he also seemed to get frustrated that Josh didnt put the ball where he wanted it and IMO didnt always give 100% in fighting DBs on contested throws.  You could see it in his body language. 

 

I wont agree that the team was better without Gabe, but they can upgrade and that is a priority.  There are plenty of options this year to try in the draft. 

 

I just dont trust that they will change their philosophy to try to level up the offense and will continue feeding the D draft picks and end up being fatally flawed on both sides (coaching on D and not enough talent around great QB on O).

[CSBill]

13 hours ago, transient said:

Did you really just base your argument on kind words spoken at his retirement?

 

I lived in NOLA and watched almost every TIgers game between 2017 and 2022. Ensminger was interim OC after Les Myles was fired, TE's coach in 2017, and was OC for the 2018 season. That offense, with Burrow, was not explosive. Burrow threw for 2800+ yds and 16 TDs. Because the passing game was so unimpressive, Ogeron went to Sean Payton and inquired about someone who could help implement a pro-style offense, and he recommended Joe Brady, who was widely regarded in the area as the reason Burrow threw for 5600+ yds and 60 TDs. Granted, he was throwing to Justin Jefferson and J'Marr Chase with Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Leonard Fournette in the backfield, and Randy Moss's son at TE, but he had the same weapons in 2018.

 

Thank you for a thoughtful and informative post.

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I love the way Joe schemed the RBs open in the passing game if only Cook didn’t have stone hands. 
But the elephant in the room regardless who the coordinator is…is getting receivers who constantly catch the ball. 

 

One correction/addition: "... is getting receivers who 'can run, get separation' and constantly catch the ball. 

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I know this isn’t directed to me, and again I am not trying to argumentative, just kind of presenting my thought process on this, knowing full well it isn’t going to happen. 

So are you talking win/loss record here? If so you are 100% correct, he has a losing record as HC in both the pros and college. 
 

But he’d be coming as an OC, so to me his overall record isn’t significant in this case. I look at it has he coached guys like Case Keenum, Johnny Football, obviously Mahomes, Davis Webb, Baker Mayfield and they all put up some ridiculous numbers in his system. The guy can coach offense and that is what I would want him to do here. Let McDermott coach the defense. Based on what I just watched, I think it’s clear you have to try to outscore KC, and if that’s the goal, Kliff is the guy imo. 
 

Our Jedi knight QB could use a little slice of the dark side of the force. Forget about complimentary football, let’s beat everyone by 70 with our unicorn. 
 

 

 

The long term advantage I see in a guy like Kliff would be you are unlikely the face the "1 or 2 good years and he is a HC again" issue. I am fine with Brady getting the gig, I think he is one of the better candidates tbh. But if the Bills offense hums next year he is gone. He had a HC interview this year after a season and a half as a QB coach and 6 or 7 games as an OC. He had HC interviews before after a pretty ropey season as the Panthers OC. If the Bills are good he gets a Head Coach job. 

 

I think Kliff's road back to a Head Coaching job in the NFL is a very long one. Not respected as a leader, basically a play caller in way over his head running a team, his teams never finish (his record down the stretch of the season as a HC in college and the pros is abysmal). It would take more than 1 or 2 good years calling plays for Josh Allen to make him a serious HC candidate again. I think he is a guy you might get 3-5 years of at the spot (which is a lifetime of continuity in the modern NFL). 

 

In terms of scheme carry over there is some spread concept in what we do, was under Daboll, less under Dorsey, started to come back a bit under Joe. But you would need a pretty radical re-make of the WR room I think and you might need to think longer term about left tackle because Dion would be living on an island a LOT.

 

I do see the logic in him as a candidate. But I'd be surprised if the Bills go that route knowing what we know about how they value character. 

[Niagara Dude]

18 hours ago, JoeF said:

Jeremy Fowler

@JFowlerESPN

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The #Bills are starting their offensive coordinator search in earnest, and interim OC Joe Brady will interview for the full-time job, per source. Brady acquitted himself well over nine games as the play caller, and Josh Allen has vouched for him getting the job.

Not convinced Brady the guy,  I do not like his run heavy offence.  You can't win in the playoffs playing that way,  I just saw some many wasted downs trying to run th ball last in games putting us behind the sticks.  I think the Bills need to upgrade this coaching position because we need to get back to being an explosive offence

[NastyNateSoldiers]

17 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I hope they interview: 

 

Joe Brady

Kliff Kingsbury

Kellen Moore

Arthur Smith

Zac Robinson

Brian Johnson

Mike LaFluer

 

Kingsbury would be my top choice. If you want change, you take a demanding prick and put him in the building. He is not a yes man. 

Where's Josh McDaniels? He should be the front runner in my opinion or heavy consideration. 

 

#1- McDaniels runs the same offense (Erhart Perkins) that Allen flourished under with Daboll he even knows that offense more so then Daboll. 

 

#2- McDaniels days as a head coach are over he had 2 chances so if we hire him we don't have to worry about losing him or him getting job interviews during the playoffs. 

 

#3- McDaniels has big time experience in big time games and knows the recipe to winning it all . 

 

#4- McDaniels offense is perfect for the players we have already on the team I can see knowing exactly how to use Cook, Kincaid, Knox, Shakir & Diggs and especially Josh Allen. 

 

#5- I love how McDaniels knows how to diagram plays for the passing and running games and how they both correspond with one another. McDaniels uses every part of the field. 

 

#6- The fact that McDaniels offense is very similar with Daboll offense would make his hiring a smooth transition for Josh Allen and the rest of the offense. McDaniels might not be a good head coach but he's a great OC with a ton of success on the highest levels of this game. I would love to see how he will use Kincaid and Knox in 2 TE sets as well as Cook in the passing game . McDaniels should be considered for this job no doubt about it . 

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

If you want to win a Lombardi and your Head Coach is a defensive guy, you need a great OC.  

 

The opposite is true, too.  That's why Reid has Spags.   They're an excellent combo.  

 

Brady is just okay.  I suppose it's possible to surround him with enough great coaches that our offense becomes great.   Ideally, though, we'd have a creative genius with great leadership skills as our OC.  

the problem is there are no OCs left from the 2022 season so either you hit on that and immediately have to try again or you miss and the same. Whereas with an offensive head coach you get stability on both sides 

[Niagara Dude]

18 hours ago, JoeF said:

Jeremy Fowler

@JFowlerESPN

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25m

The #Bills are starting their offensive coordinator search in earnest, and interim OC Joe Brady will interview for the full-time job, per source. Brady acquitted himself well over nine games as the play caller, and Josh Allen has vouched for him getting the job.

The reality is this is a passing league,  you have one of best QB'S in the NFL.  We need a coordinator that gets us back to being an explosive offence,  I did not like watching our slow 12-14 play drives that take 7-8 mins .  Some would think your controlling the clock and keeping your defence fresh. I think it works against you because you have less opportunities to score and games than come down to final drives

 

Another point,  James Cook is not built to be a workhorse RB like Thurman Thomas.  You give him so many carries then he wears down just as much as the defense.  I just saw so many late game drives where Brady seemed like he had to run on first down and we wasted a down doing so putting us behind the sticks.  It happened on Sunday on final drive

 

With Brady as coordinator the offence may overall look better but the passing game took steps back and we had far less big chuck plays.  If McDermott really wants to keep his job and see this team get over the hump then he hires someone that can get this offence to being explosive and stays the F—k out or else he will continue to be Reid's whipping boy come playoff time.  McDermott said this league was about passing the ball,  get a guy who can scheme guys open and pass the ball

 

Huge mistake just listening to Allen & other players that they likes Brady,  Allen said the same thing about Ken Dorsey and we made excuses for him for his first year after Dabol left.   Only got worse the second year,  sorry I was not impressed with the play calling on Sunday.  16 passes at the line of scrimmage when you have a QB with the strongest arm in the NFL.  

 

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[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Not convinced Brady the guy,  I do not like his run heavy offence.  You can't win in the playoffs playing that way,  I just saw some many wasted downs trying to run th ball last in games putting us behind the sticks.  I think the Bills need to upgrade this coaching position because we need to get back to being an explosive offence

 

I think it was a case of what we can do. 

[MrEpsYtown]

18 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Where's Josh McDaniels? He should be the front runner in my opinion or heavy consideration. 

 

#1- McDaniels runs the same offense (Erhart Perkins) that Allen flourished under with Daboll he even knows that offense more so then Daboll. 

 

#2- McDaniels days as a head coach are over he had 2 chances so if we hire him we don't have to worry about losing him or him getting job interviews during the playoffs. 

 

#3- McDaniels has big time experience in big time games and knows the recipe to winning it all . 

 

#4- McDaniels offense is perfect for the players we have already on the team I can see knowing exactly how to use Cook, Kincaid, Knox, Shakir & Diggs and especially Josh Allen. 

 

#5- I love how McDaniels knows how to diagram plays for the passing and running games and how they both correspond with one another. McDaniels uses every part of the field. 

 

#6- The fact that McDaniels offense is very similar with Daboll offense would make his hiring a smooth transition for Josh Allen and the rest of the offense. McDaniels might not be a good head coach but he's a great OC with a ton of success on the highest levels of this game. I would love to see how he will use Kincaid and Knox in 2 TE sets as well as Cook in the passing game . McDaniels should be considered for this job no doubt about it . 

 

I'd be good with it. I thought BB was going to get that Atlanta job and take McDaniels with him, but I'd do it. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'd be good with it. I thought BB was going to get that Atlanta job and take McDaniels with him, but I'd do it. 

 

I'd be good with McDaniels as a candidate too. If you look at Mac with McDaniels vs Mac with B'OB (who is an experienced OC) I think you come away with the conclusion he can coordiante an offense.

[Niagara Dude]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it was a case of what we can do. 

I think they need to explore all options and not just hand him the job like they did with Dorsey. Allen liked Dorsey and how did that turn out?  When have we seen change at primary coaching positions with this team in the past 5 seasons?  When have they brought someone from the outside to be defensive or offensive cordinator. 

 

I think the last time was when he hired Dabol

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think they need to explore all options and not just hand him the job like they did with Dorsey. Allen liked Dorsey and how did that turn out?  When have we seen change at primary coaching positions with this team in the past 5 seasons?  When have they brought someone from the outside to be defensive or offensive cordinator. 

 

I think the last time was when he hired Dabol

 

 

 

The outside point is a fair one. But they didn't just hand Dorsey the job. They interviewed two other candidates. He was always the front runner - but then he was one of the hottest OC candidates on the market that year. He had OC interviews the year before too. 

 

But I do take the outside perspectives point. I am not saying I'd hand Brady the job. I'd bring some credible external candidates in. But it wouldn't shock me if Brady ended up with it. He will be an OC somewhere in the NFL next season. If it isn't here he will be somewhere else.