Thrivefourfive Posted January 30 Posted January 30 All game, the Lamar Jackson 4 MVP mouthpieces on CBS were falling over themselves to give out the award to #8, and ignore how easy the guy is to defend and how terrible he was playing. Look at ‘im go! 1 Quote
MphsBillsfan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 16 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said: So a counter-argument to Allen's touchdowns. How many of those 44 are rushing from a goal line or near goal line situation? Sure, a touchdown from one yard is worth as much as a touchdown from 20 yards, but how many teams would just send a bruising back to get that same goal line touchdown? Josh had way more rushing TDs this year, but his rushing overall was down compared to the last couple of years. Every QB that was in that position could have tried for a rushing TD, but didn't/couldn't. That's what sets Josh apart; he made the TD's. I vote for a write-in with co-mvp's... Travis and Taylor. JK. 😫 Quote
May Day 10 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 18 minutes ago, jaybills said: CMC is my vote. Most consistent player. If Derrick Henry wasn't given the award for his other-worldly 2,000 yard season in 2020, I don't think they will ever consider a running back. Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 30 Posted January 30 16 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said: So a counter-argument to Allen's touchdowns. How many of those 44 are rushing from a goal line or near goal line situation? Sure, a touchdown from one yard is worth as much as a touchdown from 20 yards, but how many teams would just send a bruising back to get that same goal line touchdown? Josh had way more rushing TDs this year, but his rushing overall was down compared to the last couple of years. He had 8 total from the 3-1 yards out. One from the 3 yd line, two from 2 yd line and 5 from the 1 yd line. For whatever reason, 5 out of the 8 rushing TD's scored, and his final 5 rushing TD's scored on the year were all from the 3 yard line and in, and all came in the final 5 games of the year. Up until the Dallas game Allen's 10 rushing TD's on the year were from an average distance of 8 yards out. An argument to your counter-argument, does a RB who scores 20+ TD's on the year ever get dinged for the TD's they scored inside the 3 yard line? I've never heard of discounting a RB's goal line rushing TD's as a thing. 3 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: He had 8 total from the 3-1 yards out. One from the 3 yd line, two from 2 yd line and 5 from the 1 yd line. I can see dinging him for the QB sneaks to a degree, many made that argument for Hurts and it makes some sense. Anything more than 1 yard though I think are fine to give him more credit on. He is hard to defend because he can pass or run, I would not ding him when he scrambles and gets in or has a designed run that is not a sneak. Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said: I can see dinging him for the QB sneaks to a degree, many made that argument for Hurts and it makes some sense. Anything more than 1 yard though I think are fine to give him more credit on. He is hard to defend because he can pass or run, I would not ding him when he scrambles and gets in or has a designed run that is not a sneak. Bills started to go push tush heavy the final 5 games of the year. Of Allen's final 5 rushing TD's on the season, 3 or 4 of them may have been tush pushes. Before that majority of Allen's rushing TD's were well outside the 5 yard line on average. Quote
stevewin Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 22 hours ago, julian said: Because TDs are all equally 6 points and advantageous to winning in a significant way, INTs in the other hand are not all equal and in Allen’s case specifically his INTs tend to not be of the back breaking variety Really wish there was some kind of next gen stat for ints that factored in context. Remove hail mary's, balls that aren't the QBs fault (bounce off chest/hands of receiver etc) - and this wouldn't even count more subjective like the receiver ran wrong route etc. I would bet Josh's 'adjusted' int total would further debunk the 'turnover machine' narrative. Edited January 30 by stevewin 1 Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, jaybills said: CMC is my vote. Most consistent player. And he won't embarrass the voters with his playoff performances. Quote
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