transplantbillsfan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: Allen has way too many INTs to be in the conversation. While Dak had good games, he still struggled against winning teams. The reasons I pick Stroud he carried a team to a division win that many thought would be a bottom 5 team. Add in him leading in TD to INT ratio, only throwing an INT on 1% of his passes. Oh for crying out loud. #1: The guy who's about to win MVP has 13 turnovers to 28 interceptions while Allen has 22 turnovers to 44 TDs... he leads the NFL in TDs, BTW. Plus, Allen leads the NFL in total yards. Statistically Allen and Lamar have the same production except Allen has moooorrree. Stroud wouldn't make sense. McCaffery would but he won't win. 1 Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 29 Posted January 29 CJ Stroud is NOT winning league MVP. No way. Just give it to Josh Allen regardless of the interceptions. Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok … there you go … Lombardi goes to the winner of a team sport though What? Edited January 29 by Buffalo Ballin Quote
Jrb1979 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh for crying out loud. #1: The guy who's about to win MVP has 13 turnovers to 28 interceptions while Allen has 22 turnovers to 44 TDs... he leads the NFL in TDs, BTW. Plus, Allen leads the NFL in total yards. Statistically Allen and Lamar have the same production except Allen has moooorrree. Stroud wouldn't make sense. McCaffery would but he won't win. I already said Lamar shouldn't get it. I gave my reasons for why Stroud should. My question why do so many dismiss INTs so much? While TDs and Yards matter, so should turnovers. If anything an argument can be made for Love for MVP. He was 2nd in passing TDs with 32 and only had 11 INTs. Quote
VaMilBill Posted January 29 Posted January 29 It’s unfortunate that they don’t carry mvp votes to include postseason performance, because Lamar absolutely doesn’t deserve it. You can gameplan to shut Lamar down or minimize bis impact. You can’t gameplan for people like josh, Mahomes and CMC Quote
Boatdrinks Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Josh will simply never win MVP due to bias /agendas on the part of voters dating back to his college/ draft time. It just is what it is. Laughably so, because he produced the most offense for his team. Objectively the best player on this short list. 4 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/25/2024 at 12:03 PM, boyst said: None of them deserve it McCaffrey deserves it, but he won’t get it. Statistically, Allen is the most deserving of all the QBs. 2 Quote
foreboding Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/26/2024 at 12:07 PM, Einstein said: I know it sounds petty, but I kinda dont want the Lions to win. It would mean another team getting their first when the Bills still havent. Whelp, we're safe then, aren't we! Quote
Einstein Posted January 29 Posted January 29 20 minutes ago, foreboding said: Whelp, we're safe then, aren't we! Oddly enough I found myself rooting for the Lions during the game. Quote
Chandler#81 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Josh will win and will add it to his Madden cover boy year. Quote
Warcodered Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Josh will win and will add it to his Madden cover boy year. He should, but he'll probably just be at the award show and just make the whole thing kind of awkward when they give it to Lamar. 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: McCaffrey deserves it, but he won’t get it. Statistically, Allen is the most deserving of all the QBs. The mvp award is ridiculous for this reason lol. Mccaffrey and tyreek def deserve it more than Lamar its more the ‘what qb had a good enough season on the best team’ than who was the most valuable player Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote
DrBob806 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The mvp award is ridiculous for this reason lol. Mccaffrey and tyreek def deserve it more than Lamar its more the ‘what qb had a good enough season on the best team’ than who was the most valuable player Lamar @$52 million a year & being a minority has much to do with all this MVP talk. Yeah, I said it (wrote it lol). Lamar is good. Compared to the top-tier QBs, he's maybe 5th or 6th. But he's not an MVP. 1 Quote
2003Contenders Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I guess my biggest misgiving about Lamar is that his unique talents require that a specific offense be in place to make the best use of those talents -- in terms of scheme, supporting cast, etc. Meanwhile, Josh and Mahomes both transcend any such limitations. You could literally plug either of them into any offense and be set. Quote
blitzboy54 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Josh will simply never win MVP due to bias /agendas on the part of voters dating back to his college/ draft time. It just is what it is. Laughably so, because he produced the most offense for his team. Objectively the best player on this short list. This is 10000% correct. He is and has from the time he started playing elite football held to a different standard. Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/25/2024 at 11:10 AM, Roundybout said: No Mahomes is a surprise but not anything to split hairs over. Theres no logical reason for Dak to be on here, though On 1/25/2024 at 11:17 AM, Lost said: Why is Dak on the list and not Mahomes? Why would Mahomes be on the list? He had less yards than every QB above him besides Jackson, a worse passer rating than Dak and Purdy, a worse INT ratio than Dak. Lamar and Purdy, less TDs than Dak, Purdy and Josh. Dak had a monster season and led the league in passing TDs, was 2nd to Purdy in Passer Rating and QBR, led the league in completion percentage, tied for 3rd in INT ratio behind Stroud and Pickett. Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/25/2024 at 12:17 PM, Lost said: Why is Dak on the list and not Mahomes? It is a regular season award and it is pretty clear why the 5 ahead of him should be. However from watching the playoffs it is hard to argue Mahomes is not the most valuable player in the league. This award just like all the other subjective awards are kind of a joke but give people something to talk about. Mahomes is clutch, Lamar is the opposite of that and that counts for a lot in my book. Josh is also clutch but he has nothing to show for it because the defense consistently lets him down in big spots. 1 1 Quote
julian Posted January 29 Posted January 29 6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I already said Lamar shouldn't get it. I gave my reasons for why Stroud should. My question why do so many dismiss INTs so much? While TDs and Yards matter, so should turnovers. If anything an argument can be made for Love for MVP. He was 2nd in passing TDs with 32 and only had 11 INTs. Because TDs are all equally 6 points and advantageous to winning in a significant way, INTs in the other hand are not all equal and in Allen’s case specifically his INTs tend to not be of the back breaking variety 2 Quote
The Jokeman Posted January 29 Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: He should, but he'll probably just be at the award show and just make the whole thing kind of awkward when they give it to Lamar. If he loses MVP but doesn't get offensive player of the year then I have issue. He should be one or the other if not both. Quote
Warcodered Posted January 29 Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If he loses MVP but doesn't get offensive player of the year then I have issue. He should be one or the other if not both. Prepare to be disappointed because he's not even on the short list for OPY. Quote
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