Josh officially a finalist for MVP

[miketysonslisp]

MVP has never been a stat award (Drew Brees?)

Once you come to terms with that- it's easy to see why Lamar is going to be the MVP.

It's the best player on the best team (with good enough stats).

The Ravens played in the hardest division in the league (3 teams made the playoffs, all 4 teams winning records). Not only that- the teams they played outside their division were also playoff contenders Det, SF, Mia, Rams, etc.

Lamar was consistent and controlling and limited mistakes. He allowed the defense on Baltimore to thrive by sustaining long drives and controlling opposing defenses with his legs and arms while minimizing turnovers. They were beyond the point where he needed to air it out in many games. They have the most wins over 14 points in a season ever in the history of the NFL. that's crazy if you think about it. They blew teams out and he had no reason to try and pass/pad stats to keep score. He just did the best, on the best team, and was pretty consistent within the context of this years players.

 

Would I rather have JA17? Yes. Allen is a better passer and I would say almost as good a runner, and possibly in his own way- a better runner than Lamar. But is Lamar the MVP over JA17 this year? Yes. Lamar was more consistent in what he had to do to get his team to the top of the league than Josh.

 

[ChrisWatson#21]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

None of them deserve it 

They asked whoever wanted to be an MVP to take a step forward and nobody did.  They should give it to Taylor Swift.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, LarryMadman said:

You know what is irritating about this whole MVP thing is the amount of disrespect Josh Allen consistantly gets from everybody including Bills fans.

 

Allen has had 4 seasons better than Lamars MVP season and this year Lamar wasn't as good as 2019. This award is bogus if Allen doesnt win it, everybody knows Allen is the best player in the league and deserves it. If Lamar wins it, which he shouldn't everyone will know exactaly why, if you don't, you're not paying attention. Getting tired of politics in sports.    

 

Lies!  Lamar had 43 TDs to 8 total turnovers in 2019 with 1,200 yards on the ground. 

 

Show me 4 Allen seasons better than that.

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

They asked whoever wanted to be an MVP to take a step forward and nobody did.  They should give it to Taylor Swift.

she led to a larger increase in revenue than anyone not named Allen

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, I think Lamar Jackson's performance in a couple of games that the Ravens won ices the deal for him.

 

Yes, I too think he wins it ... but he shouldn't.

 

 

[Success]

I really don't care about this.

 

Allen does more for his team than any QB.  Anyone who watched this season, and watched on Sunday, can see that.  He gets almost no help at times.  And that's what an MVP is to ME.  

 

But Lamar had a great year. He'll win it, and he's not undeserving.

 

And Allen doesn't need anything else to inspire the media class & other fanbases to start hyperventilating about how overhyped & overrated he is.  I hope we can go into next season being more underestimated and less talked about than we have been.

 

[ChrisWatson#21]

18 minutes ago, boyst said:

she led to a larger increase in revenue than anyone not named Allen

This is the reason why my head is all f’ed up thinking Josh took a dive for the league on that final drive.  We know how Josh Allen plays and THAT was not the Allen we know and have watched closely for six years now.  Did he go Hollywood on us before our eyes?  If I didn’t believe the NFL is somewhat rigged at least I would believe how poorly Allen played that entire final drive where he almost throws an INT, fumbles the ball with minimal contact and makes a mess out of the final two plays of the offense.  He’s never played that poorly with more pressure on him when he plays at Arrowhead and all that noise vs the same team.  I still can’t get over that one. 

Edited January 25 by ChrisWatson#21

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

21 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Lies!  Lamar had 43 TDs to 8 total turnovers in 2019 with 1,200 yards on the ground. 

 

Show me 4 Allen seasons better than that.

 

Lamar certainly has less turnovers, but offensively, I'd would argue Josh, stat wise is just as good if not better. 

 

Lamar Jackson 2019 MVP Season = 4333 combined total yards and 43 combined TDs

                           2023 Season = 4499/29TDs (sat final game)*

 

Josh Allen  2020 (4965/45 TDs), 2021 (5170/42 TDs), 2022 (5045/42 TDs), 2023 (4830/44 TDs).  

Edited January 25 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Teddy KGB]

Media loves Lamar though 

 

He’s  the best and Josh is a turnover machine they say 

Edited January 25 by Teddy KGB

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Media loves Lamar though 

 

He’s  the best and Josh is a turnover machine they say 

The talking heads love the Lamar. The loudest people love Lamar.

[Billzgobowlin]

Only two on there are actually the most valuable player.  McCaffrey and Allen.  All the other teams would still be playoff bound without them. 

[LarryMadman]

34 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Lamar certainly has less turnovers, but offensively, I'd would argue Josh, stat wise is just as good if not better. 

 

Lamar Jackson 2019 MVP Season = 4333 combined total yards and 43 combined TDs

                           2023 Season = 4499/29TDs (sat final game)*

 

Josh Allen  2020 (4965/45 TDs), 2021 (5170/42 TDs), 2022 (5045/42 TDs), 2023 (4830/44 TDs).  

Yup, Josh also caught a 12 yard TD in 2020

[zow2]

On Nick Wright's show today, First Things First...he took the Josh hate to a new level and said no way should Josh be on the MVP ballot, or Purdy either.  He pointed to mostly the rushing game fluff's up Allen and that his passing stats are not good enough.  But isn't Lamar about to win MVP in part due to his rushing game?  That stuff is important in 2024.   He didn't think two guys from the same team should be on the MVP ballot therefore he eliminated Purdy.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Lamar certainly has less turnovers, but offensively, I'd would argue Josh, stat wise is just as good if not better. 

 

Lamar Jackson 2019 MVP Season = 4333 combined total yards and 43 combined TDs

                           2023 Season = 4499/29TDs (sat final game)*

 

Josh Allen  2020 (4965/45 TDs), 2021 (5170/42 TDs), 2022 (5045/42 TDs), 2023 (4830/44 TDs).  

 

Leaving out Josh's turnovers speaks volumes.  

 

Stats are only part of the story.  The original comment said that Josh had 4 seasons better than Lamar's MVP year.  That's simply not true.  

 

Even on paper, Josh's passing stats this past season look pedestrian.  It's been a down year for all the top QBs.  

Edited January 25 by Chicken Boo

[CincyBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, zow2 said:

On Nick Wright's show today, First Things First...he took the Josh hate to a new level and said no way should Josh be on the MVP ballot, or Purdy either.  He pointed to mostly the rushing game fluff's up Allen and that his passing stats are not good enough.  But isn't Lamar about to win MVP in part due to his rushing game?  That stuff is important in 2024.   He didn't think two guys from the same team should be on the MVP ballot therefore he eliminated Purdy.

Actually Wright's hatred of Allen only confirms that Allen is the only QB out there that Nick fears could be better then Mahomes under the right circumstances.  As for Purdy, Wright is jealous that he has had an even better situation to start his NFL career then Mahomes did.  And because of that Purdy may soon be hosting a Lombardi trophy and producing better SB stats then Mahomey.

 

Nick Wright hates and trashes what he fears.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yup, Josh will be runner up a 3rd time.

He won't win.

 

Agreed.

 

 

[CSBill]

It’s Lamar’s award this year by process of elimination, but Dak and no Mahomes? Come on 🤪

Edited January 25 by CSBill

[DCOrange]

Don’t get the people saying Dak shouldn’t be in there. He had a great season; arguably better than Josh. Obviously sucked in the playoffs though. 

[loyal2dagame]

54 minutes ago, zow2 said:

On Nick Wright's show today, First Things First...he took the Josh hate to a new level and said no way should Josh be on the MVP ballot, or Purdy either.  He pointed to mostly the rushing game fluff's up Allen and that his passing stats are not good enough.  But isn't Lamar about to win MVP in part due to his rushing game?  That stuff is important in 2024.   He didn't think two guys from the same team should be on the MVP ballot therefore he eliminated Purdy.

Exactly.  And there's the rub. And your biting on what billdo noise Wright is casting.  

And now he's got you.... Saying his name in conversations and spreading his marking for free. I didn't fully understand the genius of this idiot until recently. He has toxic takes to get people to say his name,  watch his youtube clips,  or tune in to his horrible show. 

This guy is a modern day clown running the circus. And people show up to watch the sh¡tshow as reality, even though it's an act. 

[Success]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

On Nick Wright's show today, First Things First...he took the Josh hate to a new level and said no way should Josh be on the MVP ballot, or Purdy either.  He pointed to mostly the rushing game fluff's up Allen and that his passing stats are not good enough.  But isn't Lamar about to win MVP in part due to his rushing game?  That stuff is important in 2024.   He didn't think two guys from the same team should be on the MVP ballot therefore he eliminated Purdy.

 

I give you credit for being able to listen to that guy.

 

I was watching that show for awhile.  But like Bayless made his career off of hating Lebron, Wright is doing the same w/ Allen.

 

And hopefully, he'll look like just as much of a fool when JA ends up w/ 4 titles. But I will not know, because I will not listen to him.  His act is obvious, pitiful, and a disgrace.