Josh made the right call to go for the TD

[Low Positive]

Just now, Einstein said:

I was screaming this during the game, and it is BY FAR what I believe we should be criticizing. 

It is crunch time. The game is on the line. You have a superstar QB. And you WASTE AN ENTIRE PLAY by running the ball, which hadn't been working in over a quarter! Our last 3 runs prior to that call went for a grand total ZERO yards.

After the 1st down run, Cook had 5 rushes for -2 yards in the 4th quarter. Why are we running him there??????

I don't mind the run per se. I get that an incompletion there is a complete disaster. Then you have to throw twice and you might leave over 2:00 after the kick. But the run to the middle when KC had stacked the box was a capitulation. I would have done something to get the ball to the edges. They were not defending that.

[Simon]

33 minutes ago, Process said:

Third down is where we lost the game. Shakir and Kincaid wide open is going to haunt me. 

 

You can get over it because nobody was open for a first down on that play.

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Diggs was open earlier though. If Josh had gone to him he’d have gotten the ball off cleanly. I will very rarely complain about a player or coach being aggressive, but Diggs was the right throw for that reason. I like that Allen wants to go for the big throw, but that wasn't the time. 

 

The bleeding the clock argument is valid as it is a legitimate strategy in situations like this. Even if we would’ve had to settle for a FG, it would have been much shorter and there would have been a lot less time on the clock. Or we could’ve won outright with a TD. 

Shakir was a for sure TD....Diggs was running a 2 yard crosser.....idk about you but if I was a hc I would tell my qb to take the sure TD over a 2 yard crosser down by 3 in the playoffs with less than 2 minutes remaining

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Mahomes with 30sec to a 1 min on the clock and TO beats or ties…. Almost guaranteed.

With a field goal, I agree.

With a touchdown, I disagree.

 

What made the Chiefs offense dangerous during the game was the threat of the run. Pacheco was getting chunks of 8 to 10 yards at a time. They wouldn't have been able to run the ball with 1:40 left. The Bills would have been secondary heavy and the pass rushers (who all game had to account for the rush), could finally pin their ears back and just go.

 

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I don't mind the run per se. I get that an incompletion there is a complete disaster. Then you have to throw twice and you might leave over 2:00 after the kick. But the run to the middle when KC had stacked the box was a capitulation. I would have done something to get the ball to the edges. They were not defending that.

I respect that opinion but we tried a run to the edges just a few plays before that. Lost 4 yards. KC was teeing off against the run. I truly don't think it would have worked regardless of the play you call there.

 

I would have loved to give Allen all three chances to make the first down. Running the ball means you're giving Allen 33% less chances to convert. 
 

[PayDaBill$]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

With a field goal, I agree.

With a touchdown, I disagree.

 

What made the Chiefs offense dangerous during the game was the threat of the run. Pacheco was getting chunks of 8 to 10 yards at a time. They wouldn't have been able to run the ball with 1:40 left. The Bills would have been secondary heavy and the pass rushers (who all game had to account for the rush), could finally pin their ears back and just go.

 

Aj couldn’t stay with 5yds of Kelce he would have eaten him alive down the stretch.

[Process]

Just now, Simon said:

 

You can get over it because nobody was open for a first down on that play.

Yes. You've mentioned that many times. 

 

If it's 4th and 1 or 2 the bills 100% are going for it. I don't think you've grasped that. And if you watch the play Shakir had one guy to beat for the first, he is good at making guys miss. I think he gets it. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Aj couldn’t stay with 5yds of Kelce he would have eaten him alive down the stretch.

Fun fact: AJ Klein allowed TWO receptions to Kelce... the entire game. 
 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

What about last year vs the Vikings in OT? JA had basically that same exact throw, except it was intended for Davis (and his route took him right to left across the back of the end zone), and the throw was too low and also behind Davis, and it was picked off to end the game. And no one bumped into JA  on that throw.

 

There are NO guarantees in NFL football. Shakir still had to have made the catch too.

 

Funny to see folks saying that he made the right decision, even though the end result is that the play failed. Personally, if something fails, I call it the wrong decision. 

 

The pass to an open Diggs was the right thing to do.

Pretty sure that wasn't the same throw or play at all, also that would be what the week after Allen had his arm bent back at the end of the Jets game? But yeah lets randomly talk about that play that has nothing to do with throwing to an open WR, he was open there's no question about that, in the endzone to take a 4 point lead under 2 minutes. 🤣

[BBFL]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Yes... all night. You're gonna refer to one play that got lucky enough to go out of the endzone? Do you remember the play right before that? Pacheco had like a 35 yard run that got them down to the 1 yard line and then we got lucky enough o get the ball out of the endzone. The whole game prior to that drive and even after that drive, we couldn't stop them. What was the next play for the Chiefs after bass missed? It was a Pacheco run for 8 yards. Wanna know what the next play was? Another Pacheco run for a first down and it was ball game. We should have taken the easy shots we took on offense all game and drained down more clock

All night would imply the night in totality but  you say “the whole game prior to those drives”… you also said we “We showed no sign of being able to stop it if KC got the ball with that much time left”

 

But they did. On back to back drives. A Turnover and then a 5 play drive for a total of 8 yards. 

 

Dude I’m not disputing that KC waxed the floor with us for the majority of the night. But the defense stepped up at the end of the game big time. 
 

Simple point was in crunch time barring a 30 yard rip our defense looked like they could hold them. Which I, personally, feel would have happened again had we made the FG. Especially if we scored a TD. 

Your post isn’t wrong. It’s that one point I disagree with. I just feel differently toward the statement my last post was directed to. 
 

It’s how you finish the game that matters. 
 

 

 

Edited January 25 by BBFL

[BarleyNY]

9 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

Shakir was a for sure TD....Diggs was running a 2 yard crosser.....idk about you but if I was a hc I would tell my qb to take the sure TD over a 2 yard crosser down by 3 in the playoffs with less than 2 minutes remaining

It obviously wasn’t a sure thing. If it was then it would have been a TD. 

[PayDaBill$]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Fun fact: AJ Klein allowed TWO receptions to Kelce... the entire game. 
 

And you trust him in crunch time or the rest of the D?

 

I don’t think so.   How many TD for Kelce?

[Einstein]

Just now, PayDaBill$ said:

How many TD for Kelce?

0 on Klein.

Klein wasn't even in the same zone quadrant as Kelce on the coverage breakdown (long TD), and it was a behind the LOS screen to Kelce that scored his second TD. Klein came across the field and was the only Bill to actually touch Kelce before he went into the endzone.

 

Kelce had 2 receptions for 9 yards in the entire second half. 

If we scored a TD on the Shakir play, I strongly believe we win the game.

[PayDaBill$]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

0 on Klein.

Klein wasn't even in the same zone quadrant as Kelce on the coverage breakdown (long TD), and it was a behind the LOS screen to Kelce that scored his second TD. Klein came across the field and was the only Bill to actually touch Kelce before he went into the endzone.

 

Kelce had 2 receptions for 9 yards in the entire second half. 

You’re fooling yourself if you think TK wouldn’t have factored down the stretch in that game.

 

5 of 6 15 yds per catch 75 yds tot & 2 td’s.  They would have went back to him. AJ was an example, he got smoked a few times and the entire Bills D had no answer for TK all night. 

Edited January 25 by PayDaBill$

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

How do you know we would have allowed a touchdown?

Exactly. They stopped the Chiefs in the regular on their last drive. People act like it was a done deal that they would score. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I am beyond tired of the national hand-wringing about that play.  It was THERE.  I've actually heard fans argue that what Allen SHOULD have done is to just keep picking up small chunks, and then score a TD with just a few seconds left on the clock.

 

As though you can script something like that perfectly.  Then there is a holding penalty, or sack, or turnover, or you just can't get in the endzone.  Allen saw Shakir wide open for 6, and he went for it.  And, as we all know, if Chris Jones gets there a half second later, that's a TD and we're likely up by 4.

 

I'm like, is that the best that you've got, Allen haters?  The guy plays a great game, should have had at least 100 more yards and another TD if his receivers could hang onto the ball - and you're saying "same ol' Allen" because he went for an OPEN TOUCHDOWN.

 

And I hope Mahomes throws 3 picks this week so we can all see the double-standard.  It won't be nearly as analyzed and dissected.

 

he made the right read in the play call

 

in theory the system/play call should have dictated the read be a smaller chunk probably, given that we just milked the clock to two minutes though. 
 

it wasn’t a bad play, but strategically the coaches didn’t sync the clock management and play calling strategy together well

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, BBFL said:

All night would imply the night in totality but  you say “the whole game prior to those drives”… you also said we “We showed no sign of being able to stop it if KC got the ball with that much time left”

 

But they did. On back to back drives. A Turnover and then a 5 play drive for a total of 8 yards. 

 

Dude I’m not disputing that KC waxed the floor with us for the majority of the night. But the defense stepped up at the end of the game big time. 
 

Simple point was in crunch time barring a 30 yard rip our defense looked like they could hold them. Which I, personally, feel would have happened again had we made the FG. Especially if we scored a TD. 

Your post isn’t wrong. It’s that one point I disagree with. I just feel differently toward the statement my last post was directed to. 
 

It’s how you finish the game that matters. 
 

 

 

I mean the whole game in totality. Are we really gonna argue over 2 drives that we got lucky enough to not give up 7 or 8 yards a play? The only 2 drives that we gave up nothing on was that fumble out of the endzone which again, had a 35 yard run play to get down there and then one other defensive drive to stop them. Were you watching something else. It was back and forth all game for both offenses. We had the lead at halftime 17-13. What did the Chiefs do the first drive I. The second half? They scored a TD in like 7 plays. The next Chiefs drive, you guessed it another TD. The Chiefs only had to attempt 5 3rd downs all night long because most of the time they were getting enough yardage on first and second down to not need a 3rd down. If you are ok with the night our defense had, getting no pass rush, missing multiple starters and getting gashed MOSTLY all night and giving Mahomes 1:55 and 2 timeouts to work with, I have to question your sanity

[Success]

We're all so scared of Mahomes because of 13 seconds.

 

And not that he couldn't have done that again.  But if Josh hits that TD - the crowd would have been absolutely insane.  He did 13 seconds in KC.

 

I think there is a shot he could have scored a TD there - but no way that's a given.

 

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

lol, no it wasn't. Josh scores a TD there and we lose. Mahomes beat us with 13 seconds and a far stronger defense.  He would have had a 1:45 and a pile of timeouts. There would just be a different person to blame. The right play there was to wind the clock down as far as possible and get the TD with under 30 seconds or tie it with a FG as time expires

TDs are too hard in the NFL, to pass up an opportunity if given. let's say he throws to Diggs and we end up tying with a FG. Do we not bring up, that he should've went for the TD, and point out an open Shakir. It takes all 11 guys to do their job, overall the oline played exceptionally well, but lost that one key rep.

[PayDaBill$]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

We're all so scared of Mahomes because of 13 seconds.

 

And not that he couldn't have done that again.  But if Josh hits that TD - the crowd would have been absolutely insane.  He did 13 seconds in KC.

 

I think there is a shot he could have scored a TD there - but no way that's a given.

 

We dominated most stats and controlled the ball.  It didn’t  matter KC was extremely efficient all night. Given he scores no, high probability, yes.

Edited January 25 by PayDaBill$

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Exactly. If Chris Jones doesn't drive Dion into Josh then that is a TD. BTW, he still would have probably missed Diggs underneath for the same reason. The only criticism that I can muster here is that maybe Josh should have slid to his right a bit to get clear of the pressure, but that is really picking nits.

 

So if Chris Jones wasn't a known great pass rusher.........and if Josh completed a specific throw that he has turfed for various reasons in big situations this season even WITHOUT significant pressure.........and completed a throw for more air yards than any other completion of his in the game and more air yards than any Shakir completion all season..........then it was definitely a TD?

 

If you are going to live in the land of make believe that's your prerogative,  but it was a low % completion throw based on all of the most recent Josh/Bills data.