Josh made the right call to go for the TD

[BullBuchanan]

26 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

What irony.

Again, straight from the NFL…

 

Mahomes averaged 2.97 seconds per throw.

Lamar averaged 2.95 seconds per throw.

Hurts averaged 3.03 seconds per throw.

Herbert averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Murray averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Goff averaged 2.77 seconds per throw.

Piedy averaged 2.88 seconds per throw.

 

2.48 and 2.69 is quite fast.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

 

 

Wrong.

Take that up with the guys putting together the stats. There isn't a definition there of time to throw, so you can't argue that it's wrong or not. Given that the data is wildly different, It would make sense that their measurement is different.

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

so you can't argue that it's wrong or not

 

Uh, yeah you can.

The stats I gave you is provided direct from the NFL and collected with RFID chips in players pads and the football.

 

Yeah, you trust that one, over the fantasy website. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Uh, yeah you can.

The stats I gave you is provided direct from the NFL and collected with RFID chips in players pads and the football.

 

Yeah, you trust that one, over the fantasy website. 

I don't know why you guys insist on arguing about things on the internet without even looking up the definition of the things you're arguing about. It's a different measurement.

That said, I'd rather debate the bad decision to throw the ball there in the first place. Maybe I should be grateful that that he didn't complete the throw, because had he made it,we would have had to hear the ridiculous argument that it was defense's fault that we lost because "he left the field with the lead".
 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I don't know why you guys insist on arguing about things on the internet without even looking up the definition of the things you're arguing about. It's a different measurement.
 

 

So you used a stat that had a definition that doesn’t fit the argument?

 

Uh, ok.

 

But as we all said, 2.48 seconds and 2.69 seconds is not long. It’s less time than the average of top passers in the league.

 

As for the decision to throw, it was the right one.

 

 

[Warcodered]

As dumb as this whole debate always was, looks even dumber today.

[Niagara Dude]

No I disagree,  they score and Mahomes still has almost 2mins left.  Allen should have run or passed to Diggs ,  get another first down and burn a little more clock before trying to score or kick game tying FG.  Brady screwed up the final set of downs by calling stupid run up the middle and Chiefs were expecting it. That should have had Allen with pass/run option and they were giving us pass underneath.  Not sold on Brady or McDermott in coaching/play calling and we just don't have enough talented player to overcome our margin of error

 

We let them off the hook and that team will now win another Super Bowl and just add more depth this offseason and be even harder to beat next year.  They have so many players all over especially on defence and unlike us are not wasting 20 million in cap space for a #1 WR that is not a big play maker in big games. That is a big problem right now,  Diggs makes loads of money and never comes up big in these games against KC

[Niagara Dude]

On 1/25/2024 at 11:05 AM, Success said:

I am beyond tired of the national hand-wringing about that play.  It was THERE.  I've actually heard fans argue that what Allen SHOULD have done is to just keep picking up small chunks, and then score a TD with just a few seconds left on the clock.

 

As though you can script something like that perfectly.  Then there is a holding penalty, or sack, or turnover, or you just can't get in the endzone.  Allen saw Shakir wide open for 6, and he went for it.  And, as we all know, if Chris Jones gets there a half second later, that's a TD and we're likely up by 4.

 

I'm like, is that the best that you've got, Allen haters?  The guy plays a great game, should have had at least 100 more yards and another TD if his receivers could hang onto the ball - and you're saying "same ol' Allen" because he went for an OPEN TOUCHDOWN.

 

And I hope Mahomes throws 3 picks this week so we can all see the double-standard.  It won't be nearly as analyzed and dissected.

 

Everyone keeps repeating that Josh blew it late,  Kurt Warner said Allen should have taken the check down to Diggs or run the ball.  He played a great game up until that point and decision making late was not good.

[zow2]

Josh did not blow anything.  He's the ONLY reason Buffalo had a shot in that game.

 

That being said the correct game strategy was to try to get the first down over the next two plays and bleed the clock dry.  Hopefully score a TD or a closer FG as time nears 0:00.   That strategy is 100% coaching and they should bear the responsibility.

[Niagara Dude]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Josh did not blow anything.  He's the ONLY reason Buffalo had a shot in that game.

 

That being said the correct game strategy was to try to get the first down over the next two plays and bleed the clock dry.  Hopefully score a TD or a closer FG as time nears 0:00.   That strategy is 100% coaching and they should bear the responsibility.

100% played amazing up until that last set of downs and goal should have been get another first down and closer for FG or game winning TD

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, zow2 said:

That being said the correct game strategy was to try to get the first down over the next two plays and bleed the clock dry.  Hopefully score a TD or a closer FG as time nears 0:00.

This strategy revolves around NOTHING bad happening on offense after getting a first down.

 

- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play Cook fumbles?
- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play the ball gets tipped and KC intercepts it?
- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play we get a personal foul that pushes us back 15 yards and makes scoring nearly impossible?

You always take the TD when it's available, because you simply do not know what is going to happen after that moment. 

Yes, in a perfect world you take the first down and score with 00's on the clock. But we live in reality.

You take the TD when you have Shakir running open in the endzone.

[Warcodered]

45 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This strategy revolves around NOTHING bad happening on offense after getting a first down.

 

- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play Cook fumbles?
- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play the ball gets tipped and KC intercepts it?
- What if he hits Diggs for the first down, and then the next play we get a personal foul that pushes us back 15 yards and makes scoring nearly impossible?

You always take the TD when it's available, because you simply do not know what is going to happen after that moment. 

Yes, in a perfect world you take the first down and score with 00's on the clock. But we live in reality.

You take the TD when you have Shakir running open in the endzone.

I've said in other threads, unless we still get the TD or win the game some other way that throw would always be used against Allen if he didn't throw it. It's all wish fulfillment of what could have been, we didn't get the result we wanted but what if we'd done something different here. It's ridiculous.

[Warcodered]

Kiper might get plenty of things wrong, but I do love when he so nicely expresses the BS with the Josh Allen shade.