Lifefan1 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 After a few days here, I got to thinking. What would happen if the coaches stayed where they are, but Allen and Mahomes switched teams? Or the opposite, the rosters stayed the same, but Reid and McDermott switched places? Which team would be better off? I guess the real question here is: Is what Reid does with the KC offense (creating decisions for the defense that gets players like Kelsey open in tough situations, or getting big runs when needed...) something that is tailored just to Mahomes and his skill set? Or would Allen be just as successful in that offense? Would Mahomes be just as dynamic in Brady's offense here? I guess my real frustration comes from watching teams like the Chiefs get players open in space, when we appear to have so much trouble getting that open space? Is it scheme (from the coaches calling plays), or is it talent (running the plays called)? Quote
Billever76 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) Allen would have 6 straight afccg appearances and 2 superbowl rings if they switched teams on their draft nights Edited January 24 by Billever76 3 16 1 3 Quote
FireChans Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Just now, Billever76 said: Allen would have 6 straight afccg appearances and 2 superbowl rings if they were switched teams on their draft nights Allen was never making the AFCCG as a rookie in 2018. Do you not remember how different these dudes’ 2018’s were lol. Josh had like 10 passing TD’s, Mahomes had 50. 1 Quote
Billever76 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Allen was never making the AFCCG as a rookie in 2018. Do you not remember how different these dudes’ 2018’s were lol. Josh had like 10 passing TD’s, Mahomes had 50. With hill and kelce and Andy Reid he must certainly would have 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Allen was never making the AFCCG as a rookie in 2018. Do you not remember how different these dudes’ 2018’s were lol. Josh had like 10 passing TD’s, Mahomes had 50. You forget allen was throwing to the hamburglar version of Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones who went streaking through LA on bath salts lol Edited January 24 by Billever76 3 1 12 Quote
FireChans Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Just now, Billever76 said: With hill and kelce and Andy Reid he must certainly would have Our boy could barely complete a pass against the Packers in 2018. Revisionist history city rn. 1 Quote
Billever76 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billever76 said: With hill and kelce and Andy Reid he must certainly would have You forget allen was throwing to the hamburglar version of Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones who went streaking through LA on bath salts lol On a full blown 1st year rebuilding team 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Our boy could barely complete a pass against the Packers in 2018. Revisionist history city rn. Kc was a superbowl caliber team when mahomes was inserted into the line up and didn't start until his 2nd year....so allen would get a year to sit and then be thrust into a superbowl caliber roster....come on get off mahomes junk...allen is just as good and I'd take allen over mahomes....the rest of this team including coaching have failed allen over and over again and you can't ever say the same with mahomes Edited January 24 by Billever76 2 2 Quote
uticaclub Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith on a team that won their division 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 24 Posted January 24 We’d have a championship at least, no doubt. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted January 24 Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, Billever76 said: On a full blown 1st year rebuilding team Kc was a superbowl winning team when mahomes was inserted into the line up and didn't start until his 2nd year....so allen would get a year to sit and then be thrust into a superbowl caliber roster....come on get off mahomes junk...allen is just as good and I'd take allen over mahomes....the rest of this team including coaching have failed allen over and over again and you can't ever say the same with mahomes When you say they were a SB winning team, you mean they won one in 1969? They year before Mahomes started, they lost in the wildcard round. The year before Josh Allen started, we lost in the wildcard round. There was certainly a talent gap between the two rosters, but Allen was not a good QB his first year starting. Mahomes was the MVP. It’s not a debate, it’s a legitimate fact. 1 1 Quote
Billever76 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: When you say they were a SB winning team, you mean they won one in 1969? They year before Mahomes started, they lost in the wildcard round. The year before Josh Allen started, we lost in the wildcard round. There was certainly a talent gap between the two rosters, but Allen was not a good QB his first year starting. Mahomes was the MVP. It’s not a debate, it’s a legitimate fact. I fixed it I mean CALIBER team 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: When you say they were a SB winning team, you mean they won one in 1969? They year before Mahomes started, they lost in the wildcard round. The year before Josh Allen started, we lost in the wildcard round. There was certainly a talent gap between the two rosters, but Allen was not a good QB his first year starting. Mahomes was the MVP. It’s not a debate, it’s a legitimate fact. Mahomes sat a year and his team didn't trade or cut all their star players and start over on a rebuild his first yr starting.....having a year to sit and learn from a vet like Alex Smith and being molded by the greatest offensive minded coach in Andy Reid was the different between mahomes his first time starting and allen first time starting...you seem to not be taking any of that into consideration and that's the most important details Quote
Chris from Rochester Posted January 24 Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Billever76 said: You forget allen was throwing to the hamburglar version of Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones who went streaking through LA on bath salts lol This is the greatest reply I have ever seen on this site 1 4 Quote
Lifefan1 Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 4 hours ago, Billever76 said: Allen would have 6 straight afccg appearances and 2 superbowl rings if they switched teams on their draft nights So what is Reid doing that we aren't? How is he able to put defenses in a bind and we struggle to get folks open in space? Is it personnel or is it scheme? Quote
ngbills Posted January 24 Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, Lifefan1 said: So what is Reid doing that we aren't? How is he able to put defenses in a bind and we struggle to get folks open in space? Is it personnel or is it scheme? Well you rarely see 3 receivers in the same space. He seems to run more playaction and move the pocket more. Uses a ton of motion. Not a lot of one read plays. 1 Quote
Success Posted January 24 Posted January 24 This is why I hate the argument that Mahomes is so much better than Allen. And when people make it, it's always about the TEAM accomplishments Mahomes has. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) I don’t think it’s just coaches and QBs. The Bills don’t have a Kelce or Chris Jones. If Chris Jones were on the Bills im confident we’d beat KC at least once in the playoffs. Chris Jones by himself prevented the Bills from scoring a go ahead touchdown with under 2 minutes left. Jones defeated our best offensive lineman. Edited January 24 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 3 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Allen was never making the AFCCG as a rookie in 2018. Do you not remember how different these dudes’ 2018’s were lol. Josh had like 10 passing TD’s, Mahomes had 50. Do you not remember how bad the Bills roster was, especially at the offensive skill positions? Also, 2018 was Mahomes 2nd year where he had 2 full camps, 1 full season under his belt and played in one regular season game already. Plus he had 2 HOF weapons in Hill and Kelce with one of the greatest offensive minds and QB developers in history. Allen had squat...fat KB and a mentally shot Zay Jones who couldn't get open or catch. 3 Quote
FireChans Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Do you not remember how bad the Bills roster was, especially at the offensive skill positions? Also, 2018 was Mahomes 2nd year where he had 2 full camps, 1 full season under his belt and played in one regular season game already. Plus he had 2 HOF weapons in Hill and Kelce with one of the greatest offensive minds and QB developers in history. Allen had squat...fat KB and a mentally shot Zay Jones who couldn't get open or catch. That’s fine. Mahomes in 2018 was a way better QB than Allen in 2018. He had better coaching, better weapons, and was the better player. These things can all be true. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s fine. Mahomes in 2018 was a way better QB than Allen in 2018. He had better coaching, better weapons, and was the better player. These things can all be true. Agree, but I mean if Allen played that first season in KC his season would have looked a lot better than it did in Buffalo. Quote
peterpan Posted January 24 Posted January 24 4 hours ago, Billever76 said: Allen would have 6 straight afccg appearances and 2 superbowl rings if they switched teams on their draft nights Maybe even more. Allen doesn’t get hurt, and that’s a big reason the Chiefs lost that one SB. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Mahomes won a SB and MVP after trading Tyreek Hill. he is in the afc championship game with a bottom 5 wide receiver core. mahomes would win wherever he is. 1 Quote
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