Utah John Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Utah fan here. The Bills have drafted two Utes recently. Zach Moss has shown he's a good player when used in a scheme that works for him, but he didn't fit with the Bills. (We got Hines for him, remember, and we should be getting him back next year, as far as I know.) And of course DK2 who has all the skills and great attitude needed to be a star. A lot goes to the coaching staff at Utah, that works with players to prepare them for the NFL. Cole Bishop would absolutely be a good pick for the Bills. I don't know if he'll be around in the third round, and I don't think he's the first round big deal star we need, but in the second round, sure. As for that the Bills not-quite-stellar record will help their draft position a little but it will still be failry late. I've been thinking the Bills' greatest need in the draft is at safety, but with the likely departure of Davis and the weird problems with Diggs, I'm now thinking WR is what the Bills should do in the first round. 1 1 Quote
Special K Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 58 minutes ago, Utah John said: Utah fan here. The Bills have drafted two Utes recently. Zach Moss has shown he's a good player when used in a scheme that works for him, but he didn't fit with the Bills. (We got Hines for him, remember, and we should be getting him back next year, as far as I know.) And of course DK2 who has all the skills and great attitude needed to be a star. A lot goes to the coaching staff at Utah, that works with players to prepare them for the NFL. Cole Bishop would absolutely be a good pick for the Bills. I don't know if he'll be around in the third round, and I don't think he's the first round big deal star we need, but in the second round, sure. As for that the Bills not-quite-stellar record will help their draft position a little but it will still be failry late. I've been thinking the Bills' greatest need in the draft is at safety, but with the likely departure of Davis and the weird problems with Diggs, I'm now thinking WR is what the Bills should do in the first round. Another Utah player I think the Bills should take a look at is WR DeVaughn Vele......definitely a McBeane type player, and worth a mid-round pick. 1 Quote
flmike Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Don't forget that we need a kicker. Props to Bass for his service (I donated to his kittie project) but guys don't come back from that. Quote
Dubie54 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Utah John said: Utah fan here. The Bills have drafted two Utes recently. Zach Moss has shown he's a good player when used in a scheme that works for him, but he didn't fit with the Bills. (We got Hines for him, remember, and we should be getting him back next year, as far as I know.) And of course DK2 who has all the skills and great attitude needed to be a star. A lot goes to the coaching staff at Utah, that works with players to prepare them for the NFL. Cole Bishop would absolutely be a good pick for the Bills. I don't know if he'll be around in the third round, and I don't think he's the first round big deal star we need, but in the second round, sure. As for that the Bills not-quite-stellar record will help their draft position a little but it will still be failry late. I've been thinking the Bills' greatest need in the draft is at safety, but with the likely departure of Davis and the weird problems with Diggs, I'm now thinking WR is what the Bills should do in the first round. Ute fan as well and I like Bishop a lot but I don't see him making it to the 3rd round. He is an incredibly smart player in the same mold as Bernard, always around the ball and has great instincts. 1 1 Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 24 Posted January 24 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Outside of 1 (mayyybe 2) WR, I expect this draft to be completely Defense. We'll need 2 Safeties, 2 DEs, and 2DTs, at least 1 CB, and we've certainly shown we can never have too much LB depth. There's no other open spots on Offense anyways, even at depth positions. For all the crap I give McD, he definitely showed he has evolved in this already. As evidenced by all the action Kincaid saw, and well, this: OCT was a HELL of a pick. Maybe one of Beane's best. 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Rd1: Cooper DeJean Rd2: Cole Bishop Rd3: Braiden McGregor Rd4: Ladd McConkey Rd5: Will Shipley Rd5: Tommy Eichenberg It’s like a message board wet dream! I kid, I kid The team has A great QB and beyond a maybe aging Stef Diggs, they have nothing at WR. Gotta do better than a 4th round WR. Quote
BigAl2526 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 I saw one sight that rated him as a 4th round value, but I think 3rd is probably the right spot at which to target him. His estimated 40 time isn't bad for a 6'2" safety - 4.5. If he's around when the Bills pick in the third (a comp pick) I'd probably grab him. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25 Posted January 25 3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: The team has A great QB and beyond a maybe aging Stef Diggs, they have nothing at WR. Gotta do better than a 4th round WR. I agree, I was making a somewhat tongue in cheek joke that I thought worked 🤷♂️ Quote
Utah John Posted January 25 Posted January 25 21 hours ago, Dubie54 said: Ute fan as well and I like Bishop a lot but I don't see him making it to the 3rd round. He is an incredibly smart player in the same mold as Bernard, always around the ball and has great instincts. Yeah, that was my point, he's probably going in the second round. Quote
miketysonslisp Posted January 25 Posted January 25 We need WRs but we also need Defense- anywhere at any level. Not sure how effective Milano will be on return. Look at KC and Baltimore- they're defenses are great and they are still competing. Mahomes had an off year and look where they are right now. We need a Defense who can go late rounds with Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow and now Harbaugh led Chargers in the AFC. Josh is Josh- you can put a scrap heap around him and he'll make the offense work. We should draft a WR but I think we can comb through FA for pass catchers too. We really need to reload D and get high quality talent there to contend I think. Quote
TFBillsfan Posted January 25 Posted January 25 WR, DE and S are positions we need to hit on in the draft that are difference makers and impactful. Not just solid players but immediately put pressure on the other side of the ball that they have to account for. Someone that can dominate a game especially at WR and DE. We have a solid roster but we need more wrecking balls! Critical draft for Beane to get right. Missing on Ford, Moss, Boogie and Elam has hurt along with AJE and Groot being just okay. Quote
Special K Posted March 25 Author Posted March 25 Just read that Bishop ran a 4.45 40 at the combine! I personally really hope he is the pick at 60 in the 2nd round. Hopefully, the Bills will get their "X" receiver in round 1(Thomas Jr., Mitchell), then zero in on a Safety in round 2. My only question on Bishop was if he had NFL level speed....4.45 speed for a 200+ pound Safety answers that question for me! Get it done, McBeane!! 1 2 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 1/23/2024 at 9:30 PM, John from Riverside said: I think we’re getting into territory where McDermott is going to have to start trusting rooks a little bit Yes the days of coddling 1st, 2nd and 3rd round players is over. Trial by fire....sink or swim. 3 Quote
BBFL Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yes the days of coddling 1st, 2nd and 3rd round players is over. Trial by fire....sink or swim. Always felt that was the way other than QB if they weren’t running a “pro system” in college. Get your licks and play time early and often. Whether the play is great or not you see what you have to work with instead of a sprinkle here or there. Baptism by fire is the way. Cream always rises to the top. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Special K said: Just read that Bishop ran a 4.45 40 at the combine! I personally really hope he is the pick at 60 in the 2nd round. Hopefully, the Bills will get their "X" receiver in round 1(Thomas Jr., Mitchell), then zero in on a Safety in round 2. My only question on Bishop was if he had NFL level speed....4.45 speed for a 200+ pound Safety answers that question for me! Get it done, McBeane!! I hope he isn’t the pick at 60 … Just my opinion … I think better talent will be available 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 1/24/2024 at 9:48 AM, NewEra said: I hope we hold off on S til rd 4 or later This doesn’t seem to be a very good S class once past the first couple. They may not get a good S prospect at all this year. Picking as late as they are in each round and looking at >60 players being picked between their 2nd and the next pick they are better off in my view just concentrating on finding the best prospects they can regardless of positional needs. 1 Quote
Yantha Posted March 25 Posted March 25 I never get too excited for 40 times with safeties. It doesn't translate well to being a "good player" as much as having a high football IQ, instincts, and CHANGE OF DIRECTION ability. Not saying that 40 time is insignificant (it IS). Acceleration to recover from separation, providing over the top help with corners, closing on a ball carrier. All these things and more are helped by a good 40. But if you don't have the other important intangibles, all you are is an amazing track star. Cole Bishop is more than that for sure. Definitely worth a look if he's the BPA. Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yes the days of coddling 1st, 2nd and 3rd round players is over. Trial by fire....sink or swim. That's already happened. Torrence and Kincaid started and Benford, a 6th round rookie, did too 17 minutes ago, Yantha said: I never get too excited for 40 times with safeties. It doesn't translate well to being a "good player" as much as having a high football IQ, instincts, and CHANGE OF DIRECTION ability. Not saying that 40 time is insignificant (it IS). Acceleration to recover from separation, providing over the top help with corners, closing on a ball carrier. All these things and more are helped by a good 40. But if you don't have the other important intangibles, all you are is an amazing track star. Cole Bishop is more than that for sure. Definitely worth a look if he's the BPA. Yea, speed by itself isn't the determining factor for safety, or any position for that matter. But speed in our D backfield is needed to cover the likes of Tyreek Hill. Edited March 25 by Fan in Chicago 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 35 minutes ago, Yantha said: I never get too excited for 40 times with safeties. It doesn't translate well to being a "good player" as much as having a high football IQ, instincts, and CHANGE OF DIRECTION ability. Not saying that 40 time is insignificant (it IS). Acceleration to recover from separation, providing over the top help with corners, closing on a ball carrier. All these things and more are helped by a good 40. But if you don't have the other important intangibles, all you are is an amazing track star. Cole Bishop is more than that for sure. Definitely worth a look if he's the BPA. Agree on the speed point and would be happy to have Bishop, but unless they take him at 60, they won’t get him. I think there will be better players at other positions at 60 and by the late 4th I don’t think there will be any S worth picking in this class. Maybe you could get Kam Kinchens there after his disastrous combine testing, but is he fast and explosive enough to use any pick on? Quote
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