Mr. Pegula please read Tyler Dunne’s newest article

[beer can shower]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

 

Just throwing this out there: If you watch Kurt Warners All-22 review (Part 2)...there's a separate thread for it...he basically says that this long bomb to Diggs was a dumb move by JA, with a very low chance of success, because he had another receiver Wide Open over the deep middle of the field.

 

Of course I am a huge JA fan, and am very thankful that he plays for the Bills, but I also agree that he did not have anywhere near a perfect game last Sunday. If you go to that Kurt Warner thread, and watch both parts 1 & 2, this will be blatantly obvious. And yes, there were MANY other things that contributed to the L, but I can be honest about JA too. Without him, the Bills get blown out in that game. Without him the last 6 years, the Bills are at or below .500 every year.

So what does that say about McDermott and Beane's ability to build a football team?

Yes, a Franchise QB means a lot to the success of a team, but you don't stop there when assembling talent.

Look around the League other teams have had backup QB's step in and and do well. (Certainly not as stellar as a Franchise QB) but...
 

Do McDermott and Beane have that here?

[Mango]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This may derail the thread (but this thread could use a derailment), but I think that he has also taken giant steps back from the Sabres. The people he chose to run that 💩show are patient to a fault, unlike the previous GMs who were impatient. There has to be some middle ground. Also, there is no equivalent to getting a franchise QB. You are really only as good as your third line and second D pairing. Hockey also stupidly drafts at 18, so building through the draft takes YEARS. /rant 

 

I don't necessarily disagree. But there have been rumors since early on that Terry has been a meddler in the team. I don't know exactly how involved he is or isn't at the moment. But I do know even the most recent rumors around senior leadership was that Briere required anti-meddling language in his contract and Terry refused. 

So while Terry may have taken a step back, Kevyn Adams is the yes man he put in place because he still holds to power over the team. 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

During the preseason, if I told you the Bills would get ravaged by defensive injuries early to their best players, Diggs would fall off a cliff, the Bills would fire their OC, Josh would lead the league in TO’s for much of the season, and things would look darkest at 6-6…… but then Ty Dunne tried to paint our coach as a terrorist, they rattled off 6 straight, took the division, and got to the 2 seed and lost on the last play of the game to the Chiefs in the divisional, I’d say it was a pretty good coaching job.

 

oh wait, that’s what actually happened.

 

I don't think anyone is saying McDermott isn't a good coach. He is but it is fair to question whether he can bring a championship to Buffalo after 7 years and many playoff failures.

[Mango]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This may derail the thread (but this thread could use a derailment), but I think that he has also taken giant steps back from the Sabres. The people he chose to run that 💩show are patient to a fault, unlike the previous GMs who were impatient. There has to be some middle ground. Also, there is no equivalent to getting a franchise QB. You are really only as good as your third line and second D pairing. Hockey also stupidly drafts at 18, so building through the draft takes YEARS. /rant 

 

Sorry for the double tap. 

I believe that Terry wants to unload the Sabres and unload it to somebody who keeps in Buffalo because he wants to save face. 

But if the Bills were to ever win a championship the team would go to the highest bidder in short order. 

[FireChans]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

I don't think anyone is saying McDermott isn't a good coach. He is but it is fair to question whether he can bring a championship to Buffalo after 7 years and many playoff failures.

Okay, that’s fine. 
 

It’s also fair to say that this year was probably one of his better coaching jobs. Hard to fire a guy who pulled the team out of the (fire) like that.

[Low Positive]

Just now, Mango said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree. But there have been rumors since early on that Terry has been a meddler in the team. I don't know exactly how involved he is or isn't at the moment. But I do know even the most recent rumors around senior leadership was that Briere required anti-meddling language in his contract and Terry refused. 

So while Terry may have taken a step back, Kevyn Adams is the yes man he put in place because he still holds to power over the team. 

Maybe. I share your frustration and I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I've not only stopped watching the Sabres, but hockey in general and it used to be my favorite sport.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Sorry for the double tap. 

I believe that Terry wants to unload the Sabres and unload it to somebody who keeps in Buffalo because he wants to save face. 

But if the Bills were to ever win a championship the team would go to the highest bidder in short order. 

Yeah it was all Kim. she was the one with actual ties to Buffalo. Now that she is out, I don’t think Terry wants to do as much.

[Gregg]

Just now, Mango said:

 

Sorry for the double tap. 

I believe that Terry wants to unload the Sabres and unload it to somebody who keeps in Buffalo because he wants to save face. 

But if the Bills were to ever win a championship the team would go to the highest bidder in short order. 

 

Unless he passes ownership down to his children. Being an NFL owner is like owning a cash cow. The Sabres I could see him selling. The Bills and Sabres are in different worlds financially. Even if the Sabres do make money (I don't know if they do) it is peanuts compared to what the Bills make.

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay, that’s fine. 
 

It’s also fair to say that this year was probably one of his better coaching jobs. Hard to fire a guy who pulled the team out of the (fire) like that.

 

Good point. This year however it is tempting to make a change with all of the coaches who are available right now. A few of them are proven winners. Next offseason might not be as attractive as far as potential coaching hires go.

[PromoTheRobot]

16 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

More wise observations:

 

So, it’s decision time. Buffalo must decide which individual they should orbit around. That will guide both draft decisions and X ‘n O philosophy. Obviously replacing McDermott with a new coach could help maximize Josh Allen before it’s too late, but Pegula didn’t do that after a fifth straight playoff loss.  

Allen could speak up. He won’t rock the boat.

 

That leaves one person to look in the mirror and change if the Bills are ever going to win a Super Bowl. The head coach.

He’s right. He needs to go for it.

 

That means unleashing his best player in full.

 

Ty Dunne knows where his bread is buttered: appealing to frustrated fans by telling them what they want to hear, that someone must pay for not getting them the candy they were promised.

[Mango]

Just now, FireChans said:

Yeah it was all Kim. she was the one with actual ties to Buffalo. Now that she is out, I don’t think Terry wants to do as much.

 

I think it is somewhere in the middle. Through and through I think Terry thinks of himself as a hockey guy. In his hear of hearts I think he wishes he was the Jerry Jones of the NHL. But he also hates his failings. So he pulled his investments, put his yes men in place to do it his way, and if the right sale becomes available he will bite. 

 

Ultimately I think Terry Pegula is the worst owner in NHL history and I have zero faith in him to do right by a pro franchise ever. As @Low Positive said, there isn't any magic bullet in the NHL. We can't just stumble upon a franchise QB for the Sabres. 

If the Bills were owned by an owner like Bisciotti I would likely have some more openness to moving on from McBeane. I think they are stable in the same way Tomlin is stable in Pittsburgh. Between both them and Allen, they collectively cover for what could be historically bad ownership. 

10 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Unless he passes ownership down to his children. Being an NFL owner is like owning a cash cow. The Sabres I could see him selling. The Bills and Sabres are in different worlds financially. Even if the Sabres do make money (I don't know if they do) it is peanuts compared to what the Bills make.

 

Good point. This year however it is tempting to make a change with all of the coaches who are available right now. A few of them are proven winners. Next offseason might not be as attractive as far as potential coaching hires go.

 

Sorry I wasn't clear. I was only talking about him selling the Sabres. 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Unless he passes ownership down to his children. Being an NFL owner is like owning a cash cow. The Sabres I could see him selling. The Bills and Sabres are in different worlds financially. Even if the Sabres do make money (I don't know if they do) it is peanuts compared to what the Bills make.

 

Good point. This year however it is tempting to make a change with all of the coaches who are available right now. A few of them are proven winners. Next offseason might not be as attractive as far as potential coaching hires go.

Well, I think we missed on Harbaugh. He wants full power, and the Chargers are giving it to him. Not sure Beane would have done that.

 

BB is ancient. Great coach, similar offensive system, but I’m not sure I want to be looking for a new coach in 2-3 years. Especially if McDaniels is the heir apparent again.

 

Vrabel and the rest have won no more than McD. Vrabel is a tough coach and a good coach and his team has a rep of playing tough, but he also wants more power. Also that whole AJ Brown trade away frightens me, what team gets rid of a top 6 WR in football while trying to contend?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

Just throwing this out there: If you watch Kurt Warners All-22 review (Part 2)...there's a separate thread for it...he basically says that this long bomb to Diggs was a dumb move by JA, with a very low chance of success, because he had another receiver Wide Open over the deep middle of the field.

 

Of course I am a huge JA fan, and am very thankful that he plays for the Bills, but I also agree that he did not have anywhere near a perfect game last Sunday. If you go to that Kurt Warner thread, and watch both parts 1 & 2, this will be blatantly obvious. And yes, there were MANY other things that contributed to the L, but I can be honest about JA too. Without him, the Bills get blown out in that game. Without him the last 6 years, the Bills are at or below .500 every year.

 

It's easy to hindsight someone, which is what Warner is doing here.

 

There are no questions Josh makes dumb decisions sometimes.  Throwing late and back across his body to the middle of the field to a double-covered player is a dumb decision.  There are times Warner's criticisms of Josh are justified, no question. 

 

Throwing a deep shot to our best WR in search of a "game changer" when there was something short open, is not necessarily a "dumb move".  If he makes it, no one is going to be saying "damned, that was a high risk dumb throw!".

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well, I think we missed on Harbaugh. He wants full power, and the Chargers are giving it to him. Not sure Beane would have done that.

 

BB is ancient. Great coach, similar offensive system, but I’m not sure I want to be looking for a new coach in 2-3 years. Especially if McDaniels is the heir apparent again.

 

Vrabel and the rest have won no more than McD. Vrabel is a tough coach and a good coach and his team has a rep of playing tough, but he also wants more power. Also that whole AJ Brown trade away frightens me, what team gets rid of a top 6 WR in football while trying to contend?

 

Harbaugh looks like he is LAC bound. I wouldn't mind looking for a new HC in 2 or 3 years if Bill could bring a Lombardi to Buffalo within that time. I think with this team and Allen as his QB he would succeed in doing that. 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's easy to hindsight someone, which is what Warner is doing here.

 

There are no questions Josh makes dumb decisions sometimes.  Throwing late and back across his body to the middle of the field to a double-covered player is a dumb decision.  There are times Warner's criticisms of Josh are justified, no question. 

 

Throwing a deep shot to our best WR in search of a "game changer" when there was something short open, is not necessarily a "dumb move".  If he makes it, no one is going to be saying "damned, that was a high risk dumb throw!".

I'm sure that Mahomes had open guys underneath when he threw that ball to MVS down the sidelines on the first play of the second half. But no one calls him on it because MVS made a one-handed catch.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Our  CEO called us all into a meeting today, said our work was “OK”, but he was looking around to see if he could find better personnel.

If he can’t, we can keep our jobs.

It was really great for morale!!!
 

[Bob Jones]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He didn't say that at all.  He said it was an incredible throw and yes it should have been caught but its tough to track it 65 yards down field.  He says he gets it Diggs was open but for him the percentages he would have went with the guy over the middle (I believe that was Shakir.)  He also says he doesn't know what Josh is told and he could be told if you get your best player one on one with the safety to take the shot. He never said anything about it being dumb.  You are injecting that from your own opinion.

You are correct, and I am sorry for that choice of word. Yes, I was inferring and reading between the lines, and giving my opinion of what KW was actually saying.

 

Of course Warner would never outright diss JA by putting him down, or calling him "dumb." I would bet the farm that there definitely is a brotherhood amongst all NFL QBs, past, present, & future, and rarely would you ever hear one insult another. But OTOH, his analysis obviously does hint that JA made some bad/wrong decisions that night. He specifically notes that in the 4th qtr there was a noticeable change in JA's decision making.

[Bob Jones]

6 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Our  CEO called us all into a meeting today, said our work was “OK”, but he was looking around to see if he could find better personnel.

If he can’t, we can keep our jobs.

It was really great for morale!!!
 

I hate to tell you this, but from my 40+ years of work experience, many bosses/owners are always looking for younger "new talent", who will do the same job you're doing, and be willing to be paid less. Personally, I've had it happen to me a couple times (was fired).

 

Lesson is to always have your updated resume ready, and some savings available to get you through til your next job.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Bob Jones said:

You are correct, and I am sorry for that choice of word. Yes, I was inferring and reading between the lines, and giving my opinion of what KW was actually saying.

 

Of course Warner would never outright diss JA by putting him down, or calling him "dumb." I would bet the farm that there definitely is a brotherhood amongst all NFL QBs, past, present, & future, and rarely would you ever hear one insult another. But OTOH, his analysis obviously does hint that JA made some bad/wrong decisions that night. He specifically notes that in the 4th qtr there was a noticeable change in JA's decision making.

 

Well I would say that of course Kurt Warner would have taken the guy over the middle.  Have to be careful with that being gospel though.  Warner is not Josh Allen.  They are two different style QBs that are hall of fame talent but for different reasons.  Allen has the arm talent to get the ball there.  He targeted his number one guy.  The guy he most relies on because Diggs last year would have caught that ball.  For whatever reason Diggs is having a down year.  As he also said, he isnt in the room.  He doesnt know what order reads are and he doesn't know what Josh is told to do.

 

Maybe Josh should have thrown over the middle.  The thing is that reads are a split second decision. Josh seen Diggs one on one. He saw him get open. There is a timing to that. If Josh comes off him to check someone else, there is no going back.  If Shakir isn't open there then what?  Diggs was open.

 

There has to be chunk plays.  It can't be all dink and dunk take what the defense gives you.  They give you that for a reason.  Because mistakes are bound to be made eventually.  When that mistake is made it kills a drive just as fast.  At some point a chunk needs to be made.  Probably 2-3 of them.  Mahomes and his receivers got their chunk plays.  Allen and his receivers did not.

 

I think people nitpick too much.  Its easy to play armchair QB when you can pause.  Its easy to play armchair when there is no pressure on you and you can just look at each receiver over and over and paused and what have you.  Its not the same as looking from behind the pocket with bodies flying around and you have 3 seconds or less to find you guy and deliver the ball.

 

Allen has a special talent.  That talent is not the same talent as Tom Brady or Kurt Warner.

[Beck Water]

 

 

40 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He didn't say that at all.  He said it was an incredible throw and yes it should have been caught but its tough to track it 65 yards down field.  He says he gets it Diggs was open but for him the percentages he would have went with the guy over the middle (I believe that was Shakir.)  He also says he doesn't know what Josh is told and he could be told if you get your best player one on one with the safety to take the shot. He never said anything about it being dumb.  You are injecting that from your own opinion.

 

Thank you for clarifying this.

[MrEpsYtown]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

 

Vrabel and the rest have won no more than McD. Vrabel is a tough coach and a good coach and his team has a rep of playing tough, but he also wants more power. Also that whole AJ Brown trade away frightens me, what team gets rid of a top 6 WR in football while trying to contend?

 

I give Vrabel a pass on the AJ Brown stuff. Based on what is going down with Brown in Philly, I think they got out in front selling a potentially toxic asset. There is something fishy there and Vrabel and his brainstrust somehow kept it quiet. I would hire Vrabel in a second. He holds the players accountable and is abrasive. We need some of that around here. The biggest difference in his wins vs. McDermott's is that Vrabel won with Ryan freakin Tannehill.