Kurt Warner All22

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

There’s no flaw in that logic unless he was got blown out again like we did against the Bengals.  Both KC divisional games came down to one or two plays in a team of comparable skill.  Football isn’t a severn game series so the margin of error is so slim that something as simple as a wind gust can completely change a narrative and careers.

 

Here's the problem with that, KC was very beatable.  OK, so we didn't have our A-game CBs in the game.  Which of KC's WRs needed A-game CB defenders to defend them?  

 

Have you taken the time to actually look at KC's WRs?  Rice is the only good one they have and he's a rookie, also playing in his first NFL playoff games.  After him their next two leading WRs, at 460 and 315 Yards, with 3 and 1 TDs, boy howdy, both have catch%'s of 50%.  Why do we need Tre White and Douglas to cover trash like that?  

 

Shakir's easily better than any of them.  Hasty's probably better than any of them. 

 

And Kelce being wide open had absolutely nothing to do with talent.  If the 5'6" Hasty were covering Kelce then perhaps that might make some sense.  But there was absolutely no one covering him.  That's not a talent issue.  

 

We were and are by far, the better team.  To lose like that at home is inexcusable.  That was the game we've all been waiting for and we, really McD, failed.  

 

 

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It’s real easy to become impatient in football because of that single elimination system and thinking waiving a magic wand for a better coach to get us over the hump is wishful thinking.  As long as we keep fielding a top team that hosts divisional games the law of averages will eventually swing our way.  I think you didn’t even have us finishing above .500 when we were 6-6 despite the three previous seasons where we’ve won out with at least five straight.  Maybe have some faith in a coach who’s gotten us there every year who will work to get better in those high pressure tight games.

 

It's even easier to take a position like that.  

 

Look, this notion that any of our coaches that got us close but no cigar, IOW to say 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7, but failed to make the playoffs, wouldn't coach this team to make the playoffs.  

 

McD's never had it easier than any of them.  He got the easiest schedule that we've had since 2008 this season and other than that the easiest.  He barely made the playoffs.  

 

He's had the luxury of not having to play the Brady-led Pats for two losses every season, and still, with Mac Jones at the helm the best he could muster is 5-2.  

 

His 9-7 in 2017 was worse than any other 9-7 or even 8-8 that this team had during the drought years, was easily the worst of the six 9-7 teams that failed to make the playoffs that season, and he made the playoffs purely for reasons of luck.  

 

Does NE dominate the division like they did during our drought years to the tune of all but two guaranteed losses every season for us?  

What if all of those teams go to face NE (and every other team) with Allen while NE had the likes of a Mac Jones (or Bledsoe) slinging the ball for them?  

 

What, that's not good for a few games?  

 

How many games did we win this season purely because Allen was our QB?  

 

The Steeler playoff game was one to advance us to this past game.  

 

We can probably add both Miami games, the second Jets game, the Raiders game, the Chargers game, the first KC game and maybe another couple.  

 

Imagine this team as coached by McD with our drought era QBs on the team.  Who even envisions that team even merely making the playoffs.  It's a fool's argument to suggest that that's the case.  

 

You say that it's real easy to become impatient in football per this topic.  But it's even easier to be so afraid of missing out on an existing standard that ain't cutti' the mustard, in favor of something far greater.  

 

It's irrational, but many are so afraid of a return to the drought era days, that we've become complacent and content with winning the regular season, and even less than mediocrity come playoff time with our biggest failures being the supposed strength of our head coach.  The entire thing reads like a parody.  

 

It's beyond comprehension. 

 

 

[BeastMaster]

42 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

There’s no flaw in that logic unless he was got blown out again like we did against the Bengals.  Both KC divisional games came down to one or two plays in a team of comparable skill.  Football isn’t a severn game series so the margin of error is so slim that something as simple as a wind gust can completely change a narrative and careers.  

It’s real easy to become impatient in football because of that single elimination system and thinking waiving a magic wand for a better coach to get us over the hump is wishful thinking.  As long as we keep fielding a top team that hosts divisional games the law of averages will eventually swing our way.  I think you didn’t even have us finishing above .500 when we were 6-6 despite the three previous seasons where we’ve won out with at least five straight.  Maybe have some faith in a coach who’s gotten us there every year who will work to get better in those high pressure tight games.

The law of averages doesn't apply to teams that get out coached and dominated by top QB's every playoffs

 

Thinking that we will eventually get our turn because that's how it works is simply foolish nonsense 

 

Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Zac Taylor, and Joe Burrow are going to step on McDermotts neck at every opportunity in the playoffs

 

Expecting a different result when this has happened the last four seasons is the definition of insanity 

[Repulsif]

Great analysis, we should hire the Guy as consultant or even better

[Lionel Hutz]

This organization is wasting the best QB it's ever had. Need a regime change ASAP.

[Dick_Cheney]

God these videos and this thread depressed me. Genuinely makes it seem like our offense is running at like 65% of what it could be.

[BuffaloBill]

If you watch the sequence on the second play broken down it was no wonder Diggs was not getting open.  None of us know where he was supposed to be and what route he was running but the Bills had a terrible route design. It’s almost as if the Bills get in their own way.

 

If Brady does become OC these issues have to be cleaned up.  

[Scott7975]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

If you watch the sequence on the second play broken down it was no wonder Diggs was not getting open.  None of us know where he was supposed to be and what route he was running but the Bills had a terrible route design. It’s almost as if the Bills get in their own way.

 

If Brady does become OC these issues have to be cleaned up.  

 

These issues were present with Dorsey too.  Not sure on Daboll.  Don't forget we lost Chad Hall.  WR coach I am sure has a lot to do with teaching this stuff and getting it right.

[Bob Jones]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

These issues were present with Dorsey too.  Not sure on Daboll.  Don't forget we lost Chad Hall.  WR coach I am sure has a lot to do with teaching this stuff and getting it right.

I mean, it ain't brain surgery out there.

 

On one play Warner analyzes, Diggs is lined up wide left, and he runs straight up the field for a while, but to the outside of the defender, then he moves toward a post route. Warner said he should have gotten inside of the defender ASAP, and run a true post because the middle of the field was wide open. Does a veteran, #1 receiver need to be taught how to do that?!

[harmonkillebrew]

23 hours ago, since79 said:

Watched both, good insight. Warner played under a different offense(Air Coryell). Although there were option routes they did not vary as much as the EP offense. 

From wiki.

”The Coryell offense is a combination of deep and mid range passing and power running. The offense relies on getting all five receivers out into patterns that combined stretched the field, setting up defensive backs with route technique, and the quarterback throwing to a spot on time where the receiver can catch and turn upfield. Pass protection is critical to success because at least two of the five receivers will run a deep in, skinny post, comeback, speed out, or shallow cross.”

 

What our offense lacks is route technique and discipline.   This is why you get guys so close they could be covered with a blanket.  What was quite obvious in the videos is this.  What you also see is the absence of guys making themself available. How many times do you see Allen with the ball and EVERY receiver with their back to him.

 

I think part of our lack of YAC can be due to Allen having to see the break, having to see how the receiver read the leverage. The miscues to Davis were anticipation misread throws.  This is why he holds the ball so long and has to create out of the pocket.

 

Maybe we need to reduce the read leverage concepts. Have some routes that are defined and have at least one guy always available. In the EP offense the route options are supposed to create unpredictability and variability. In another post I talked about defenders, if they know how our receivers will read leverage can force the decision to the route they want that is easier to defend.  In Warner’s analysis you could see KC may have been doing it.  He talks about how our receivers don’t force the leverage to their advantage. Again I said elsewhere it looks like we take the path of least resistance and are lazy with rounding of routes. 
 

We can benefit from some simplification and dedication to precision in our routes.  Allen cannot demand it out of his guys like Brady did ( he had a benefit of winning and a coach who demanded perfection).  Allen is too nice a guy and wants to be one of the boys.  We need someone on the O side to take that role. 

Great insight.

Makes me think we need an OC overhaul.  

[Best Williams Available]

21 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Well he can't exactly catch the ball for Diggs

For half a year Diggs has been irrelevant and it’s not because he dropped all passes throw to him. 

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8 hours ago, peterpan said:

Exactly.  Teams create entire new looks and plays every week.  Saying “it’s Dorsey’s playbook”, that’s simply not how it works 

Even if this was true and he saw Dorsey had 2 guys running to the same spot he’d be an idiot not to tweak 1 of the routes. Yet here they are.
 

And the key play everyone’s on Josh about, not hitting Diggs on the crosser—apparently this is 3-4th progression—who uses their best WR as 3-4th option? I think the pass to Shakir was the right play but these designs leave a lot to the imagination. They wreak of overthinking to try to trick the Defense, just to end up tricking yourself (execution).

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21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I guess I just don't see any room for improvement at OC. I agree we could probably have much better offensive coaching, and the video shows clear examples of this, but that would have to come from the head coach. Elite OCs all become head coaches. Swap Brady for another slightly above average OC. It won't make a difference. Maybe we strike gold and stumble into an elite OC for a year. The next year he'll be hired as a head coach elsewhere and the carousel will keep spinning round and round.

 

So if McDermott is here for the long haul I guess we'll just have to settle for good enough and heavily invest in offensive talent to make up for the coaching gap that will exist between us and other Super Bowl contenders.

This is a dilemma, I agree. But a difference between the Bills v other teams is they have Josh Allen. An OC that does well and gets hired somewhere else won’t go to a team with a Josh Allen (Daboll), so they may think twice. McDaniels stuck around with Brady to win vs taking HC jobs. Maybe that’s the gold we strike. If not, we still have Josh Allen.

[BigDingus]

22 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

KC has s great D this year, that should be accounted for

 

Why does their great D show up in big games, while ours does not?

 

An unusual amount of injuries hurt this year, but every other time we've had a top 5 D, it did nothing to slow down elite QBs come playoff time.