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[Brand J]

32 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Thrice the Bills struck deep and Allen hit the WR in the hands.  ALL THREE were incomplete.  In a game where you must be patient Allen exhibited unnatural patience. The WR must make the catch on those three throws.  They would have been game changing.

 

FIFY. If we want to say the DB was holding Sherfield’s arm on the first, okay, but it didn’t look like he was trying to fight him off and get his arm away (which might’ve drawn PI), but the second long pass downfield I feel most receivers in the league will come down with. When Sherfield got up protesting to the ref that he caught the ball, he gave me hope watching from home and then I see on the replay it clearly hit the turf and I’m like “dude, what are you arguing??” 

[ILBillsfan]

I watched these and came away with what is our WR/TE coaches doing as those positions are not doing a good enough job 

[Niagara Dude]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

It's in two parts about a half hour each but well worth the watch.

 

 

 

I think Allen will be thinking about those last two throws all offseason.  He could have either passed to Diggs over the middle or run and that gives the Bills a first down  or 3rd & 3 or less./. The goal should have always been to get at least one more first down to kill clock before trying to score TD or game typing FG. 

 

I really believe the chemistry/trust between Allen & Diggs was not at the same level then it was a few seasons ago or Allen gives that pass the Diggs when he crosses his face .  I believe the chemistry was damaged last year after Cincy game and only got worse with stupid comments/tweets from Diggs's brother.

 

As a fan I am really disappointed because the Bills again failed in situational football against this same Chiefs team. 

[HappyDays]

41 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

Why are people advocating for Brady as OC if this is what’s on tape? If he inherited bad routes from Dorsey a good OC wouldn’t keep them, right? If the excuse is our WRs, sorry but Shakir and Diggs are sufficient route runners and it was still figured out. Maybe he’s not the upgrade we think. How can you trust an OC that can’t manufacture production from Stef Diggs apart from LOS WR screens?

 

I guess I just don't see any room for improvement at OC. I agree we could probably have much better offensive coaching, and the video shows clear examples of this, but that would have to come from the head coach. Elite OCs all become head coaches. Swap Brady for another slightly above average OC. It won't make a difference. Maybe we strike gold and stumble into an elite OC for a year. The next year he'll be hired as a head coach elsewhere and the carousel will keep spinning round and round.

 

So if McDermott is here for the long haul I guess we'll just have to settle for good enough and heavily invest in offensive talent to make up for the coaching gap that will exist between us and other Super Bowl contenders.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Brand J said:

Final 2nd & 9 and 3rd & 9 really illustrate how Josh got out of taking what the defense was giving him versus wanting to go for the kill shot TD. Both plays had available receivers for potential first down yardage. But, as Warner says, up until that point he had played virtually perfect football. To beat another QB playing close to perfect, it would’ve taken perfection all throughout. The lapse got us. To be clear, I don’t blame Josh, I blame the sieve of a defense. It’d be interesting to see how often we disrupted their routes. 

 

The difference is Mahomes didn't have to play perfect.  His scheme had open people and his receivers made catches and plays with the ball.  And his kicker made the FG

57 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

Why are people advocating for Brady as OC if this is what’s on tape? If he inherited bad routes from Dorsey a good OC wouldn’t keep them, right? If the excuse is our WRs, sorry but Shakir and Diggs are sufficient route runners and it was still figured out. Maybe he’s not the upgrade we think. How can you trust an OC that can’t manufacture production from Stef Diggs apart from LOS WR screens?

 

You can't really install an offense in the middle of the season.  All he can do is make tweaks and narrow play selection.  I dunno if Brady is the guy or not, just saying.  Honestly, he doesnt even have a lot of talent to work with.  IMO he at least got guys involved that Dorsey didn't.  He got a run game working that Dorsey didn't.  So he has that going for him.

[billieve420]

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

FIFY. If we want to say the DB was holding Sherfield’s arm on the first, okay, but it didn’t look like he was trying to fight him off and get his arm away (which might’ve drawn PI), but the second long pass downfield I feel most receivers in the league will come down with. When Sherfield got up protesting to the ref that he caught the ball, he gave me hope watching from home and then I see on the replay it clearly hit the turf and I’m like “dude, what are you arguing??” 

Sherfield and the other dudes need to go the Josh Allen school of acting. When the DB held his other hand on that deep ball. I would have tried to fight him off and make it known to the refs I was being held. Allen is good at drawing calls that are questionable because he sells it to the ref.

Edited January 24 by billieve420

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think Allen will be thinking about those last two throws all offseason.  He could have either passed to Diggs over the middle or run and that gives the Bills a first down  or 3rd & 3 or less./. The goal should have always been to get at least one more first down to kill clock before trying to score TD or game typing FG. 

 

I really believe the chemistry/trust between Allen & Diggs was not at the same level then it was a few seasons ago or Allen gives that pass the Diggs when he crosses his face .  I believe the chemistry was damaged last year after Cincy game and only got worse with stupid comments/tweets from Diggs's brother.

 

As a fan I am really disappointed because the Bills again failed in situational football against this same Chiefs team. 

 

He might because of the result but IMO a TD was there if he had a half second longer.  I take the TD every time. TDs are a premium in the redzone and the closer you get, the harder it is.  Especially against the Chiefs who were playing our guys tight all game long.

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I guess I just don't see any room for improvement at OC. I agree we could probably have much better offensive coaching, and the video shows clear examples of this, but that would have to come from the head coach. Elite OCs all become head coaches. Swap Brady for another slightly above average OC. It won't make a difference. Maybe we strike gold and stumble into an elite OC for a year. The next year he'll be hired as a head coach elsewhere and the carousel will keep spinning round and round.

 

So if McDermott is here for the long haul I guess we'll just have to settle for good enough and heavily invest in offensive talent to make up for the coaching gap that will exist between us and other Super Bowl contenders.

 

Also part of the routes/spacing issue could be WR coach, not OC.  Lets not forget we lost a good WR coach in Chad Hall. 

[Alphadawg7]

27 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think Allen will be thinking about those last two throws all offseason.  He could have either passed to Diggs over the middle or run and that gives the Bills a first down  or 3rd & 3 or less./. The goal should have always been to get at least one more first down to kill clock before trying to score TD or game typing FG. 

 

I really believe the chemistry/trust between Allen & Diggs was not at the same level then it was a few seasons ago or Allen gives that pass the Diggs when he crosses his face .  I believe the chemistry was damaged last year after Cincy game and only got worse with stupid comments/tweets from Diggs's brother.

 

As a fan I am really disappointed because the Bills again failed in situational football against this same Chiefs team. 

This isn’t correct in this situation. That’s playing to try and not lose, not playing to win.  Down 3 where a TD puts you up 4 and makes the other team have to drive the field, you 100% take the TD.  So what if we get 3rd and 3, if we don’t convert then we kick a FG and Mahomes has a minute and a half with at least 1 timeout to WIN THE GAME on just a simple FG.  The same Mahomes who twice got a FG at end half in 12 seconds and end of game in 13 seconds on this very Bills team the last 2 seasons.  
 

It’s mathematically and statistically incorrect to turn down a 4 point lead there to pick up a few yards and still not be assured of either a first down or even a score.  Not to mention every additional play brings more risk of a turnover too.

 

The game plan down three is get a TD at all costs, not risk just tying the game on a FG where the opponent can win with time on the clock to get their own FG.  Especially when we struggled on D all night.  

Edited January 24 by Alphadawg7

[Buffalo03]

You can kinda see why Diggs hasn't really done much. They are making him do very simple concepts. I feel like they used him differently a couple years ago. A lot of what Diggs is running are little curls, slants, screens. They aren't really asking him to do much and when they do, it seems like the WRs are kind of all bunched together. I don't fully blame Diggs 

Edited January 24 by Buffalo03

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

Final 2nd & 9 and 3rd & 9 really illustrate how Josh got out of taking what the defense was giving him versus wanting to go for the kill shot TD. Both plays had available receivers for potential first down yardage. But, as Warner says, up until that point he had played virtually perfect football. To beat another QB playing close to perfect, it would’ve taken perfection all throughout. The lapse got us. To be clear, I don’t blame Josh, I blame the sieve of a defense. It’d be interesting to see how often we disrupted their routes. 

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD why would you not take it?

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

Final 2nd & 9 and 3rd & 9 really illustrate how Josh got out of taking what the defense was giving him versus wanting to go for the kill shot TD. Both plays had available receivers for potential first down yardage. But, as Warner says, up until that point he had played virtually perfect football. To beat another QB playing close to perfect, it would’ve taken perfection all throughout. The lapse got us. To be clear, I don’t blame Josh, I blame the sieve of a defense. It’d be interesting to see how often we disrupted their routes. 

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

Final 2nd & 9 and 3rd & 9 really illustrate how Josh got out of taking what the defense was giving him versus wanting to go for the kill shot TD. Both plays had available receivers for potential first down yardage. But, as Warner says, up until that point he had played virtually perfect football. To beat another QB playing close to perfect, it would’ve taken perfection all throughout. The lapse got us. To be clear, I don’t blame Josh, I blame the sieve of a defense. It’d be interesting to see how often we disrupted their routes. 

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

Final 2nd & 9 and 3rd & 9 really illustrate how Josh got out of taking what the defense was giving him versus wanting to go for the kill shot TD. Both plays had available receivers for potential first down yardage. But, as Warner says, up until that point he had played virtually perfect football. To beat another QB playing close to perfect, it would’ve taken perfection all throughout. The lapse got us. To be clear, I don’t blame Josh, I blame the sieve of a defense. It’d be interesting to see how often we disrupted their routes. 

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

[Brand J]

52 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD why would you not take it?

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

 

When a dude is 3-4 yards wide open for a TD because you looked off the safety on the play why would you not take it?

The interesting part about the video is that when Josh decided to make the throw and Shakir had yet to uncover, the safety was in a position where he could’ve had leverage if he played the endzone rather than the man.  Meaning, if he was watching Josh in his zone while keeping Shakir in his peripheral, it could’ve easily been an INT. Warner said based on where the safety was and where Shakir was running, he would’ve came off the read and hit Diggs on the crosser. I agreed watching the route develop on the tape and where the safety was at the time, but as we know Josh is aggressive. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don’t. Unfortunately that one didn’t and we’re back to waiting for the offseason. 

[Aussie Joe]

Greybeard 

[JoshAllin]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It’s mathematically and statistically incorrect to turn down a 4 point lead there to pick up a few yards and still not be assured of either a first down or even a score.  Not to mention every additional play brings more risk of a turnover too.

 

The game plan down three is get a TD at all costs, not risk just tying the game on a FG where the opponent can win with time on the clock to get their own FG.  Especially when we struggled on D all night.  

For any other QB this is true for but not Allen when he can get you the first running or passing it, they also lead the league in conversion so the chances are still high up there.

[ChrisWatson#21]

2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think Allen will be thinking about those last two throws all offseason.  He could have either passed to Diggs over the middle or run and that gives the Bills a first down  or 3rd & 3 or less./. The goal should have always been to get at least one more first down to kill clock before trying to score TD or game typing FG. 

 

I really believe the chemistry/trust between Allen & Diggs was not at the same level then it was a few seasons ago or Allen gives that pass the Diggs when he crosses his face .  I believe the chemistry was damaged last year after Cincy game and only got worse with stupid comments/tweets from Diggs's brother.

 

As a fan I am really disappointed because the Bills again failed in situational football against this same Chiefs team. 

What’s even more dissapointing is how Josh didn’t see Dawkins being pushed back by Jones into him I mean Josh was looking left the whole time and he couldn’t pick that up and step around it there was still a decent pocket there.  No peripheral vision.  Everything about that play was so bizarre.  Still can’t get over that one.

[billieve420]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This isn’t correct in this situation. That’s playing to try and not lose, not playing to win.  Down 3 where a TD puts you up 4 and makes the other team have to drive the field, you 100% take the TD.  So what if we get 3rd and 3, if we don’t convert then we kick a FG and Mahomes has a minute and a half with at least 1 timeout to WIN THE GAME on just a simple FG.  The same Mahomes who twice got a FG at end half in 12 seconds and end of game in 13 seconds on this very Bills team the last 2 seasons.  
 

It’s mathematically and statistically incorrect to turn down a 4 point lead there to pick up a few yards and still not be assured of either a first down or even a score.  Not to mention every additional play brings more risk of a turnover too.

 

The game plan down three is get a TD at all costs, not risk just tying the game on a FG where the opponent can win with time on the clock to get their own FG.  Especially when we struggled on D all night.  

If it was 3rd and 3 or 4th and 3 I am going for it unless KC has burned their timeouts and there isn’t a lot of time on the clock. At which I may then consider taking the FG and hoping we can pull out W in OT. I am putting the ball in my best player’s hand and trying to win game. I didn’t like any of the play calls that entire series starting with the predictable first down run. They should have stuck with the short game for at least that series to milk more time off the clock. Even if Bass made that FG I have no doubts that KC was driving down the field for the winning FG.

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Your statement about the route runners is true.  The Bills need better receivers and maybe better coaching on the routes.  However, I think it's worth the watch for people to understand how bad it really is and how much harder Josh Allen's job is compared to other QBs.

I don’t remember who said it, but I remember a couple of times it was said that Gabe Davis was the smartest WR they’d seen.  I don’t get it.  Then why is he frequently near another receiver?   Why do Josh and him miscommunicate so often?

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

KC has s great D this year, that should be accounted for

They do but championship teams go down the field in the final minutes to a game winning TD. 

 

Championship teams stop an opposing defense to close the door 

 

McD led Bill team hasn't done either in the playoffs since he's arrived seven years ago. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, billieve420 said:

If it was 3rd and 3 or 4th and 3 I am going for it unless KC has burned their timeouts and there isn’t a lot of time on the clock. At which I may then consider taking the FG and hoping we can pull out W in OT. I am putting the ball in my best player’s hand and trying to win game. I didn’t like any of the play calls that entire series starting with the predictable first down run. They should have stuck with the short game for at least that series to milk more time off the clock. Even if Bass made that FG I have no doubts that KC was driving down the field for the winning FG.

 

And we lose if you dont convert vs taking a 4 point lead with under 2 minutes left in the game.  100% of the time you take the points and lead, especially when that lead is greater than a FG.  Now the opponent has to go the length of the field and convert a TD in order to take the lead or win the game with under 2 min to go and only 2 timeouts.  And KC was missing their best receiving weapon in Rice too making that harder and was having to rely on receivers who has shown to be unreliable catching the ball including dropping multiple game losing passes this season.

 

Your odds of winning the game are substantially higher taking a 4 point lead vs remaining in a losing position with and putting yourself in a must have 4th down conversion against one of the best defenses in the NFL.  I mean the math on that is not even close given the immense amount of variables involved.  

 

How many of you would be on here saying that Allen made a mistake taking the TD had Allen and Shakir actually connected?  I am gonna guess nobody would be saying he should have not taken the TD and instead gambled on getting one later.  The correct choice is always the choice you would make regardless of its success or failure on the play.  And the mathematically the best odds of winning there are take the 4 point lead vs force a 3rd and 3 while still down 3 and still 25 yards or so away from the endzone.  

[Trogdor]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

A whole lot of that is creating your plays, play-calling, and overall scheme to match the talents of your WRs.  

 

Beyond that it's a Beane issue.  But hey, when you never draft a WR on days 1 or 2, ... 

 

As they say, you'll never hit unless you buy a ticket.  

 

 

They also ran off their very good and well respected WR coach. 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

A whole lot of that is creating your plays, play-calling, and overall scheme to match the talents of your WRs.  

 

Beyond that it's a Beane issue.  But hey, when you never draft a WR on days 1 or 2, ... 

 

As they say, you'll never hit unless you buy a ticket.  

That's the case for keeping McDermott in a nutshell.  You can't win the Super Bowl if you don't punch your playoff lottery ticket.