Hebert19 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 And neither should josh. Ita not designed for him. It's designed to get people open quick and get YAC. It's designed for tua or purdy. Not josh. It was modified to work with josh but it's a scheme that relies on athletes winning 1 on 1 all the time or you take check down. See Tom brady. Early win or check it down. Daboll in college had one of the greatest teams ever so they often won early. Ruggs Smith Ridley Jeudy Hurts Tua Jacobs Harris Robinson ***** me. I could have won natty with that team. Dorsey tried to keep it and put twists on it. It didn't work. Brady focused on the simple stuff. Kind of worked. We need brady to implement his own system that produced 2x 1k receivers. 1k rusher. Dabolls system is actually *****. Relies on qb to run. Wrs to win quick. And rarely schemes people open. When we had bease brown and diggs it worked because someone always won quick. Now we have no one that wins quick so it's a check down offense. Good riddons. I'm excited to see josh on a system...not see a system that puts josh in it. 4 1 4 1 1 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: And neither should josh. Ita not designed for him. It's designed to get people open quick and get YAC. It's designed for tua or purdy. Not josh. It was modified to work with josh but it's a scheme that relies on athletes winning 1 on 1 all the time or you take check down. See Tom brady. Early win or check it down. Daboll in college had one of the greatest teams ever so they often won early. Ruggs Smith Ridley Jeudy Hurts Tua Jacobs Harris Robinson ***** me. I could have won natty with that team. Dorsey tried to keep it and put twists on it. It didn't work. Brady focused on the simple stuff. Kind of worked. We need brady to implement his own system that produced 2x 1k receivers. 1k rusher. Dabolls system is actually *****. Relies on qb to run. Wrs to win quick. And rarely schemes people open. When we had bease brown and diggs it worked because someone always won quick. Now we have no one that wins quick so it's a check down offense. Good riddons. I'm excited to see josh on a system...not see a system that puts josh in it. Brady did kinda implement his own system. I haven't seen us run as much as we have since the bye week. Daboll has more of a pass heavy system Quote
Niagara Dude Posted January 23 Posted January 23 8 hours ago, Hebert19 said: And neither should josh. Ita not designed for him. It's designed to get people open quick and get YAC. It's designed for tua or purdy. Not josh. It was modified to work with josh but it's a scheme that relies on athletes winning 1 on 1 all the time or you take check down. See Tom brady. Early win or check it down. Daboll in college had one of the greatest teams ever so they often won early. Ruggs Smith Ridley Jeudy Hurts Tua Jacobs Harris Robinson ***** me. I could have won natty with that team. Dorsey tried to keep it and put twists on it. It didn't work. Brady focused on the simple stuff. Kind of worked. We need brady to implement his own system that produced 2x 1k receivers. 1k rusher. Dabolls system is actually *****. Relies on qb to run. Wrs to win quick. And rarely schemes people open. When we had bease brown and diggs it worked because someone always won quick. Now we have no one that wins quick so it's a check down offense. Good riddons. I'm excited to see josh on a system...not see a system that puts josh in it. This offence has been terrible since Dabol left 3 3 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Daboll is a fraud. A passenger in a stacked bus his whole career….until he got off in Jersey 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 23 Posted January 23 8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Brady did kinda implement his own system. I haven't seen us run as much as we have since the bye week. Daboll has more of a pass heavy system There's a difference between picking better play choices and installing your own offense 4 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: There's a difference between picking better play choices and installing your own offense I think he installed some of his own offense. Not a full thing but some of the offense was his Quote
BarleyNY Posted January 23 Posted January 23 9 hours ago, Hebert19 said: And neither should josh. Ita not designed for him. It's designed to get people open quick and get YAC. It's designed for tua or purdy. Not josh. It was modified to work with josh but it's a scheme that relies on athletes winning 1 on 1 all the time or you take check down. See Tom brady. Early win or check it down. Daboll in college had one of the greatest teams ever so they often won early. Ruggs Smith Ridley Jeudy Hurts Tua Jacobs Harris Robinson ***** me. I could have won natty with that team. Dorsey tried to keep it and put twists on it. It didn't work. Brady focused on the simple stuff. Kind of worked. We need brady to implement his own system that produced 2x 1k receivers. 1k rusher. Dabolls system is actually *****. Relies on qb to run. Wrs to win quick. And rarely schemes people open. When we had bease brown and diggs it worked because someone always won quick. Now we have no one that wins quick so it's a check down offense. Good riddons. I'm excited to see josh on a system...not see a system that puts josh in it. What kind of offensive system did you want in place with the OL that this team has trotted out since Daboll was here? A vertical attack with longer developing routes would have gotten Allen killed. Quicker routes have made this OL look better than it really is. 4 Quote
uticaclub Posted January 23 Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Daboll is a fraud. A passenger in a stacked bus his whole career….until he got off in Jersey He actually got something out of Daniel Jones in 2022, made the playoffs & won coach of the year. I think he’s doing just fine in Jersey and Hindsight will show we should have fired McD after 13 seconds to promote Daboll. 2 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I mean that is not how the E-P works, but sure. The thing the E-P requires most of all is receivers with football intelligence and chemistry with their Quarterback because most concepts have options built in. If people want rid of it because of multiple breakdowns - especially between Josh and Gabe this year - where one read X and the other read Z then fine. But wanting rid of it because it is not "designed to get people open" is nonsense. 2 2 Quote
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 23 Posted January 23 9 hours ago, Hebert19 said: And neither should josh. Ita not designed for him. It's designed to get people open quick and get YAC. It's designed for tua or purdy. Not josh. It was modified to work with josh but it's a scheme that relies on athletes winning 1 on 1 all the time or you take check down. See Tom brady. Early win or check it down. Daboll in college had one of the greatest teams ever so they often won early. Ruggs Smith Ridley Jeudy Hurts Tua Jacobs Harris Robinson ***** me. I could have won natty with that team. Dorsey tried to keep it and put twists on it. It didn't work. Brady focused on the simple stuff. Kind of worked. We need brady to implement his own system that produced 2x 1k receivers. 1k rusher. Dabolls system is actually *****. Relies on qb to run. Wrs to win quick. And rarely schemes people open. When we had bease brown and diggs it worked because someone always won quick. Now we have no one that wins quick so it's a check down offense. Good riddons. I'm excited to see josh on a system...not see a system that puts josh in it. Riddons? 😂 5 Quote
T master Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: This offence has been terrible since Dabol left 13 & 3 in 2022 - 11 & 6 in 2023 - plus each of those years was a AFC East division Championship yah it sucked . Edited January 23 by T master Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 23 Posted January 23 OP, Wait first you said Daboll system worked for Tom Brady and then you said it relies on the QB to run. I dont recall Tom Brady running the ball. Which is it? 1 Quote
Niagara Dude Posted January 23 Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, T master said: 13 & 3 in 2022 - 11 & 6 in 2023 - plus each of those years was a AFC Championship yah it sucked . The offence struggled last year and struggled this year, 2 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: I think he installed some of his own offense. Not a full thing but some of the offense was his Obviously some wrinkles, but there is absolutely a difference between what you can do on the fly in 8 weeks and what you spend an offseason scheming and May-August installing and field testing. Quote
14774 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 The biggest problem with the O is lack of talent and not fully utilizing the talent they do have. Need WR upgrades. Need to involve DK even more. Where did the "12 personnel" dream go? 1 Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 23 Posted January 23 46 minutes ago, T master said: 13 & 3 in 2022 - 11 & 6 in 2023 - plus each of those years was a AFC Championship yah it sucked . The bills have been to one AFC championship game recently, they didn’t win and it wasn’t either of those years. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Pretty good article looking at offensive fits for the players drafted last year. https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/best-scheme-top-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-draft#gid=ci02bdad4b0000279b&pid=usatsi_19467622 To me, Allen is a great fit for what we have been doing with E-P. Brady is an E-P coach, so if you are looking for a big change, you have to change coordinators. At LSU Brady was the passing game coordinator. He was not in full control of the offense. His first chance to do that was in Carolina where he got a little too spreadish and refused to run the football. It would appear he has learned his lesson. Brady is a Sean Payton guy who coached under Pete Carmichael Jr. who coached with Ray Perkins way back. Concepts will not change all that much. In terms of scheme, I hear many asking for a WCO, it's fine and Allen will be great in any offense. But the WCO may neuter some of his play-making ability unless you are installing Andy Reid's modified WCO. The WCO is a rhythm and timing offense in which the QB is the distributor. I'm not sure that's what I want for Josh. The point is, if Joe Brady is back, the concepts will not change much. E-P is E-P, he will add spread variations, some Y cross Lincon Riley type spread concepts. If Brady is not back I would consider a guy like Kliff Kingsbury. He's going to put the ball in the hands of the QB and let him cook. A ton of empty and air raid principles. However, I don't think McDermott would ever hire him because he doesn't "know him" and he wants the old ground and pound. Kingsbury is not a yes man and is kind of a jerk and demanding of his QB and receivers. That's what this team needs, and so does McDermott. Ultimately, I think Brady is back and we get to see him install his full offense. Edited January 23 by MrEpsYtown 1 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I feel like I always have to say this whenever Dabol's name is brought up. He was a frequent target of this board to be fired up until 13 seconds which is now the only thing people seem to remember is how the offense was playing at the end. The Bills scored 9,10,14,16 points in 4 games that season and people wanted his head. 1 Quote
MPL Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: The offence struggled last year and struggled this year, And it struggled under Daboll, too. See Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Indy games in 2021 and Titans, Chiefs (both games), Jets game, and Ravens divisional round game in 2020. Quote
PonyBoy Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Riddons? 😂 Rid-ddons Noun The action of gedding rid of an unwanded person 😀 1 Quote
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