Anyone wish we were down by 4 at the end?

[BillsFan2313]

14 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

In coaching there to win

 

2nd and 9 I just missed

 

3rd down I want half -at least !!!

 

go for it on 4th

 

my defense couldn’t stop anything

 

my kicker has minimal confidence right now

 

i know my team A my qb has been incredible all game and can will his way for 9 yards for a fresh set of downs if he wanted to.

 

 

thats my idea there

My biggest peeve with McDermott is he just doesn’t understand his players and pay attention to them I guess 

Yep was telling the fan around me 2 minutes is too much time

 

if I’m Andy Reid I’m letting them score a td 

 

This

[Matt_In_NH]

No, I think their intent was to score a TD, if you get to 4th and 9 its good to have the option to tie even though that is really a last ditch effort thing.   If the FG goes through, the Bills are probably still a 75% chance to lose.

[Brand J]

I wish we were up by less than 3 in the :13 secs game. 

[NewEra]

I was hoping the plan was to nickel and dime our way down the field and burn the clock, like we did the entire game…..but then Josh decides to take 2 shots in the endzone on 2nd and 3rd.  This game ends differently if he throws to Diggs on 2nd and Kincaid on 3rd. 

 

Oh well.  That’s what Josh likes to do and I can’t blame him.  But his decisions on the last set of downs contributed to our loss….regardless of the amazing game he played

[Process]

Just now, NewEra said:

I was hoping the plan was to nickel and dime our way down the field and burn the clock, like we did the entire game…..but then Josh decides to take 2 shots in the endzone on 2nd and 3rd.  This game ends differently if he throws to Diggs on 2nd and Kincaid on 3rd. 

 

Oh well.  That’s what Josh likes to do and I can’t blame him.  But his decisions on the last set of downs contributed to our loss….regardless of the amazing game he played

The third down play was the killer. He had three options underneath. Hits Shakir at the right time and it's a first down. Kincaid and it's likely 4th and short and we go for it. Protection was good too. Hard to watch. 

[boco357]

Should have been, fully expected Chiefs to go for 2 when the Bills were offside on extra point.

[Thrivefourfive]

1 hour ago, Jukester said:

The psychology of being down by 3 vs 4 late in a game is so ingrained in football (coaches and players).  

 

Down by 3  - you feel like you can 'play it safe' and still kick the field goal to tie.  You're less aggressive.  Extend the game and take your chances - even thought the other team still can come back and win with a field goal.

 

Down by 4 - full desperation and you're gonna do everything you can to score a TD, including going for it on 4th down.  

 

When the Bills were on that last drive, i knew we had to score a TD there.  So I had no problem with Josh looking for Shakir in the end zone.  Split second sooner before he gets bumped on the throw, and that's a TD.  He was thinking TD but coaches were playing not to lose.  I had no faith in Bass and even if he made it, Mahomes against our depleted defense at the end or in OT, forget it.  It would've been just as heartbreaking.   

This is head games and I disagree with it. If you can’t understand the situations for what they're worth, then good luck. This is actually perfect for how dysfunctional the Bills are in crunch time.

 

Get rid of the coaches. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Nklaiste1 said:

He's by far one of the worst kickers in the league. 

 

 

And as soon as he's gone will be one of the best.😔 

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

Yes.  

 

I can't blame McDermott for kicking on a 4th and 9 with a makeable FG, but we all knew it was over the second Bass trotted onto the field.  We just didn't realize it would be our kicker ending it. 

I do. You’re giving the ball back to KC with 143 left and 2 TOs. We should have run or short pass on 3rd and go for it on 4th. In fact if they went on 4th and 9 I would have been fine with it. He had 2 guys open just got his throw adjusted. Better off w Allen on 4th and 9 then a tie with tons of time for Patty. Oh and it was clear the kicker was shaky. Play to win!

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Jukester said:

The psychology of being down by 3 vs 4 late in a game is so ingrained in football (coaches and players).  

 

Down by 3  - you feel like you can 'play it safe' and still kick the field goal to tie.  You're less aggressive.  Extend the game and take your chances - even thought the other team still can come back and win with a field goal.

 

Down by 4 - full desperation and you're gonna do everything you can to score a TD, including going for it on 4th down.  

 

When the Bills were on that last drive, i knew we had to score a TD there.  So I had no problem with Josh looking for Shakir in the end zone.  Split second sooner before he gets bumped on the throw, and that's a TD.  He was thinking TD but coaches were playing not to lose.  I had no faith in Bass and even if he made it, Mahomes against our depleted defense at the end or in OT, forget it.  It would've been just as heartbreaking.   

 

I wonder about two plays - if mistakes were made or if the coaches were playing chess:

- On the KC XP down 2, did McDermott have a player intentionally encroach? Analytics says take half the distance and go for two. It would be a 2 or 4 point game. If a 2 point, that’s a huge win for the Bills. If 4, then not a big difference since we’d be going fairly hard for a TD down by 3 anyway. If so, Kudos to McD for trying that. And kudos to Reid for not taking the bait. 

- On the fake punt, did Reid only trot out 10 men to get us to run the fake? IIRC I saw that happen earlier in the season and it worked. If so, Reid successfully baited us and had his team ready for the stop. That’s some high level coaching. 

[billsfanfrom83]

3 hours ago, Jukester said:

The psychology of being down by 3 vs 4 late in a game is so ingrained in football (coaches and players).  

 

Down by 3  - you feel like you can 'play it safe' and still kick the field goal to tie.  You're less aggressive.  Extend the game and take your chances - even thought the other team still can come back and win with a field goal.

 

Down by 4 - full desperation and you're gonna do everything you can to score a TD, including going for it on 4th down.  

 

When the Bills were on that last drive, i knew we had to score a TD there.  So I had no problem with Josh looking for Shakir in the end zone.  Split second sooner before he gets bumped on the throw, and that's a TD.  He was thinking TD but coaches were playing not to lose.  I had no faith in Bass and even if he made it, Mahomes against our depleted defense at the end or in OT, forget it.  It would've been just as heartbreaking.   

I trust Allen a hell of a lot more to convert 4th down than bass making that kick Allen was in I will not be denied mode he would've done whatever he had to do to make it

[VaMilBill]

3 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

No, but I agree with you that we should have been thinking TD at the end instead of FG.  I would have liked it if they had treated that last set of downs as four-down territory (unless something went wrong and set us up for 4th-and-too-long of course).

I honestly think we would gone for it on 4th if it was 4th and 4 or less. That’s an issue with getting Josh’s mind right that we have an extra play to get the first. Take what they give you. 

[Prospector]

3 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

No, but I agree with you that we should have been thinking TD at the end instead of FG.  I would have liked it if they had treated that last set of downs as four-down territory (unless something went wrong and set us up for 4th-and-too-long of course).

All I can say is... why didn't we replace Bass sooner when the coaches knew he was done the whole year. We passed on multiple 50+ yarders this year to punt or do some other wacky thing. Trade him to a garbage team for their good kicker who can at least attempt a 53yd FG