McDermott - Excuses, Valid but concerning

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Great point. McDermott will totally become a SB winning coach like Reid once he has an elite, generational talent at QB. Oh wait…

Mahomes is the better QB though and he's unfortunately in our conference.  He's one bad second half against the Bengals from going to four straight Super Bowls.

Edited January 26 by Doc Brown

[Buffalo Ballin]

22 hours ago, BananaB said:

Not when McD keeps using the resources for his D.  After last year the biggest thing we needed was WR help. After they completely bombed in FA filling the holes what did they do at trade deadline, go out and repair McDs D. 

? I don't understand where you're trying to get to.

 

I didn't mention anything about defense.

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To Patrick Mahomes x2 and Joe Burrow. We are losing to fighters in Allen's weight class so to speak. Now I get it is frustrating as hell losing to them.... and we have had our chances to beat them. Including on Sunday when for all the failures Josh and the offense had the chance to go and win the game at the end. They didn't execute.

 

Easy. That rookie can't call the defense and has struggled to even line up right. Twice in the Steelers game and once in his limited snaps agains the Chiefs he was clearly in the wrong spot and teammates were trying to move him as the offense snapped the ball. If you'd have started him the Chiefs would have gone right after him too. It is the result of being down to your third string linebackers.

Oddly enough the rookie made a solid play on third down late in the game chipping rice on the cross route. It was a bad penalty by the refs that kept the drive alive. Then he backed it up on the next third down taking Mahommes down near the sidelines.🤷🏼‍♂️ This D is full of vets all over the board except the LBer position, surely there could be help in communication to make sure the best player is on the field. Klien was ***** terrible, you’re right about that. Looked like he was still on vacation . The whole defense is vets, there gotta to be a better way. 

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Oddly enough the rookie made a solid play on third down late in the game chipping rice on the cross route. It was a bad penalty by the refs that kept the drive alive. Then he backed it up on the next third down taking Mahommes down near the sidelines.🤷🏼‍♂️ This D is full of vets all over the board except the LBer position, surely there could be help in communication to make sure the best player is on the field. Klien was ***** terrible, you’re right about that. Looked like he was still on vacation . The whole defense is vets, there gotta to be a better way. 

 

Williams is great at running and hitting. He just has no idea where he should be. Klein never blows an assignment but looks like his legs move in treacle. 

 

I said it before the game - there was no good solution. When you are down to linebackers 5 and 6 there rarely is. That is the NFL. Nobody has functional depth going to their third string at a spot. 

[BananaB]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Williams is great at running and hitting. He just has no idea where he should be. Klein never blows an assignment but looks like his legs move in treacle. 

 

I said it before the game - there was no good solution. When you are down to linebackers 5 and 6 there rarely is. That is the NFL. Nobody has functional depth going to their third string at a spot. 

Personally I like the guy who has the tools to make the plays despite some mistakes over the guy who might be smarter but just doesn’t have it physically. I agree it’s not a good situation either way though

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 1/22/2024 at 5:36 PM, SCBills said:

-WC Loss to the Houston Texans.  We weren't ready.  Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen.  Not the end of the world.

 

-AFC Championship Game vs KC.  Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg.  But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment.  But we're on the right track.

 

-AFC Divisional Game vs KC.  13 seconds.  Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching.  We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok.

 

-AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN.  No show all around.  Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok.  Fine. 

 

-AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC.  Defense is an absolute dumpster fire.  McDermott leading that Defense.  But we have injuries, so...  Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok...

 

Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis.  

 

Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse.  First two years, building, making strides...

 

But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs.

 

He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses.  Valid or not.. he's used all of them up.  We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same.  It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is.  And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB.  So what is it?  Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses.  Valid or not.  You can't have one every year. 

No excuses for not having a LB on your team that doesn't know how to call the Defense other then AJ Klein who was sitting on his arse at home for most of the season. It's ridiculous that Dodson which has been here for yrs can't wear the green dot . Mof I'm calling horsesht on that because Dodson started a few games in place of Edmunds in previous seasons and filled in very well. The excuses Mcd has are awful and if that's the case it's a fireable offense either way. 

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Personally I like the guy who has the tools to make the plays despite some mistakes over the guy who might be smarter but just doesn’t have it physically. I agree it’s not a good situation either way though

 

I'd lean the other way against a clever coach like Reid. He'd have had Williams spinning like a top.

[Nihilarian]

For all, you supposed Bills fans who desperately want a change at HC for the Buffalo Bills.

 

Allow me to remind you of the last nearly twenty or so years between 2000-2017 look how many head coaches the Bills have had...Rex Ryan, Anthony Lynn, Doug Marone, Chan Gailey, Perry Fewell, Dick Jauron, Mike Mularkey, Greg Williams. 

 

Now, take a long hard look at the NHL Sabres in that the Buffalo Bills owner also owns. Currently 7th in a division of 8 teams. How many NHL Championships for the Sabres under this owner? Do any of you expect him to fire McD and replace him with...

 

Exactly who do you fellows have in mind to replace one of the winningest head coaches in Buffalo Bills history? 

 

 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

For all, you supposed Bills fans who desperately want a change at HC for the Buffalo Bills.

 

Allow me to remind you of the last nearly twenty or so years between 2000-2017 look how many head coaches the Bills have had...Rex Ryan, Anthony Lynn, Doug Marone, Chan Gailey, Perry Fewell, Dick Jauron, Mike Mularkey, Greg Williams. 

 

Now, take a long hard look at the NHL Sabres in that the Buffalo Bills owner also owns. Currently 7th in a division of 8 teams. How many NHL Championships for the Sabres under this owner? Do any of you expect him to fire McD and replace him with...

 

Exactly who do you fellows have in mind to replace one of the winningest head coaches in Buffalo Bills history? 

 

 

 

For all of you supposed Bills fans who desperately want to keep McDermott as the HC of the Buffalo Bills. Let me remind you.

 

1. SEVEN YEARS. He has had SEVEN YEARS with one best QB's in the league and has had numerous playoff failures. So maybe a new voice is needed to lead this team. 

2. Why does everyone think a change from McDermott to another coach would automatically be bad. It actually might be good and just what is needed to get this team over the top. McDermott is a good coach, but he is not a legendary coach like Belichick, Carroll, Saban. 

3. Unless Beane also gets canned I would expect he and not Terry would be leading the search for the next HC. So, while Terry would have to approve of the hire, I would expect he would go off of Beane's recommendation.

 

If fans want to keep McDermott and keep winning the AFCE and losing in the divisional round, then I am happy for all of you. Some of us want the Bills to win a Super Bowl. After SEVEN YEARS it is fair to question if McDermott can get them there. 

 

If it were my call, then Bill Belichick would be the HC of the Bills in 2024. His record with an elite level franchise QB speaks for itself. Although he cannot be the GM. That is Beane's job.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

For all of you supposed Bills fans who desperately want to keep McDermott as the HC of the Buffalo Bills. Let me remind you.

 

1. SEVEN YEARS. He has had SEVEN YEARS with one best QB's in the league and has had numerous playoff failures. So maybe a new voice is needed to lead this team. 

2. Why does everyone think a change from McDermott to another coach would automatically be bad. It actually might be good and just what is needed to get this team over the top. McDermott is a good coach, but he is not a legendary coach like Belichick, Carroll, Saban. 

3. Unless Beane also gets canned I would expect he and not Terry would be leading the search for the next HC. So, while Terry would have to approve of the hire, I would expect he would go off of Beane's recommendation.

 

If fans want to keep McDermott and keep winning the AFCE and losing in the divisional round, then I am happy for all of you. Some of us want the Bills to win a Super Bowl. After SEVEN YEARS it is fair to question if McDermott can get them there. 

 

If it were my call, then Bill Belichick would be the HC of the Bills in 2024. His record with an elite level franchise QB speaks for itself. Although he cannot be the GM. That is Beane's job.

 

1. He has had 6 years with Josh and only four with him as one of the best QBs in the NFL. In those four seasons he has lost three times in the playoffs to the one QB who is probably better than him and once to the QB who is arguably right behind Josh on his tail. 

 

2. I have no sympathy with the "better the devil you know" argument. That is NOT a reason to keep Sean McDermott. That said, does the prospect of Terry Pegula hiring the next coach terrify me? Yes. Yes it does. 

 

3. McDermott and Beane are joined at the hip. If one goes they both go. The Head Coach does not report to Beane. And even if they did, we know that in BOTH of Pegula's coaching searches so far in Buffalo he overruled his GM and hired the guy he liked best. 

 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1. He has had 6 years with Josh and only four with him as one of the best QBs in the NFL. In those four seasons he has lost three times in the playoffs to the one QB who is probably better than him and once to the QB who is arguably right behind Josh on his tail. 

 

2. I have no sympathy with the "better the devil you know" argument. That is NOT a reason to keep Sean McDermott. That said, does the prospect of Terry Pegula hiring the next coach terrify me? Yes. Yes it does. 

 

3. McDermott and Beane are joined at the hip. If one goes they both go. The Head Coach does not report to Beane. And even if they did, we know that in BOTH of Pegula's coaching searches so far in Buffalo he overruled his GM and hired the guy he liked best. 

 

 

You, me or any other fan would have no way of knowing if Beane and McDermott are joined at the hip. Terry is the only one who can answer that. A similar situation is when the Jets hired Gase who then recommended JD for the GM job. Similar to how McDermott and Beane were hired. Were Gase and JD joined at the hip. Gase got canned a few years ago while JD remains the GM. If Beane stays, then he would be leading the search for the next HC if they move on from McDermott. Again, fans have no way of knowing if Terry would clean house or just replace one of them. Fans can only speculate or give their opinion but as we know that means nothing. Only Terry's opinion counts.

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

You, me or any other fan would have no way of knowing if Beane and McDermott are joined at the hip. Terry is the only one who can answer that. A similar situation is when the Jets hired Gase who then recommended JD for the GM job. Similar to how McDermott and Beane were hired. Were Gase and JD joined at the hip. Gase got canned a few years ago while JD remains the GM. If Beane stays, then he would be leading the search for the next HC if they move on from McDermott. Again, fans have no way of knowing if Terry would clean house or just replace one of them. Fans can only speculate or give their opinion but as we know that means nothing. Only Terry's opinion counts.

 

I have not spoken to Terry but I have spoken to people who have worked inside the organisation and are adamant that Terry sees them as a pair and that is why he has always given them concurrent contracts. I don't think this is at all like the Gase - Joe Douglas situation. And as I say, even if Beane stays.... Terry has overruled his GM on HC searches twice in two tries so far with the Bills. Once wisely, once less so.

[LarryMadman]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1. He has had 6 years with Josh and only four with him as one of the best QBs in the NFL. In those four seasons he has lost three times in the playoffs to the one QB who is probably better than him and once to the QB who is arguably right behind Josh on his tail. 

 

Except in 2 of those games our QB has outperformed the other guy yet still lost, that's a coaching problem.

[Governor]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1. He has had 6 years with Josh and only four with him as one of the best QBs in the NFL. In those four seasons he has lost three times in the playoffs to the one QB who is probably better than him and once to the QB who is arguably right behind Josh on his tail. 

 

2. I have no sympathy with the "better the devil you know" argument. That is NOT a reason to keep Sean McDermott. That said, does the prospect of Terry Pegula hiring the next coach terrify me? Yes. Yes it does. 

 

3. McDermott and Beane are joined at the hip. If one goes they both go. The Head Coach does not report to Beane. And even if they did, we know that in BOTH of Pegula's coaching searches so far in Buffalo he overruled his GM and hired the guy he liked best. 

 

Wait a minute. You flipped and want McD gone now? Just like that?

[Nihilarian]

Did someone really suggest Bill Belichick as Buffalo's next head coach? The Patriots just fired the guy after a 4-13 season with the offense going 31st in points, and 30th in yards. What a cluster mess that team has been since Tom Brady left and we now know who the real star behind all those Super Bowl wins was.

 

Bill Belichick Told Patriots owner Robert Kraft that Tom Brady was done..and the guy went on to Tampa Bay to win another Super Bowl. 

 

There is a real reason as to why so many teams that need an HC this off-season are passing on him.  For the lord's sake, the man put a former DC in as the OC, and that guy was just fired as the Eagles DC. At least former Patriots OC Josh McDaniels had that offense working with Mc Jones and ole Bill most likely ruined him with his craptastic picks as OC after McDaniels left. 

 

 

Let's not forget that this owner's first choice for a head coach was Rex Ryan... along with his destruction of the best pass rush in the NFL 

 

No thanks, I'd rather not go back to a hit-or-miss on a complete overhaul of any aspect of the team as a new HC would want to do things his way. Like ole Wrex Ryan. Besides I really like what I've seen from new Buffalo Bills OC Joe Brady as the Bills controlled the clock by running the ball down the Chief's throats, 39 rushes for 182 yards, and ToP 37:03. 

 

Also, If only the real Stephon Diggs showed up and played well. If Buffalo had a top #2 WR that could get separation and put up some decent numbers would have also helped Josh.

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Except in 2 of those games our QB has outperformed the other guy yet still lost, that's a coaching problem.

 

It's a supporting talent problem.

37 minutes ago, Governor said:

Wait a minute. You flipped and want McD gone now? Just like that?

 

No. I just don't think the better the devil you know argument is a credible argument for keeping him. 

 

That isn't my argument for keeping him. 

[colin]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd lean the other way against a clever coach like Reid. He'd have had Williams spinning like a top.

 

the solution is to not be so mired in a scheme which at all times requires players that you don't have (due to not signing them or injury).  a dc should be able to come up w a d that doesn't require benching a wrecking ball in favor of someone who is no longer a pro football player.

 

kinda reminds me of the knock on rex, his scheme was too demanding and not enough guys could run it.

 

billacheat has come up w entirely different ds for different situations (what they came up w for the rams in the chip was a master class).  

 

i've had issues w our d structurally in the past.  the proof is in the pudding, and we've been cheeks in 5 straight play off losses.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, colin said:

 

the solution is to not be so mired in a scheme which at all times requires players that you don't have (due to not signing them or injury).  a dc should be able to come up w a d that doesn't require benching a wrecking ball in favor of someone who is no longer a pro football player.

 

 

It wasn't about scheme. It was about knowing where to line up in the formation. That is absolute basics. And has been a problem for Williams. 

[colin]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

It wasn't about scheme. It was about knowing where to line up in the formation. That is absolute basics. And has been a problem for Williams. 

 

either we consistently get players who are just soo stupid then can't play football (which means we are fools in player evaluation) or our scheme is a bit too clever by half or it's a combo of that and mcd just not trusting new guys but instead leaning too hard on vets and not being flexible on D.

 

either that or we don't actually know how to coach basic football.

 

i think it's pretty clear w guys like williams and milano not getting burn early, rotating cbs and OTs, and guys like cook getting sent to the gulags off of one fumble that mcd is slow to trust young guys or just is a bit too much of a perfectionist.

 

my evidence: elam vs pitts and williams vs kc made full on great plays.  maybe they don't get a start over a full roster, but guys who are really too hurt to play should not be in over them.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, colin said:

 

either we consistently get players who are just soo stupid then can't play football (which means we are fools in player evaluation) or our scheme is a bit too clever by half or it's a combo of that and mcd just not trusting new guys but instead leaning too hard on vets and not being flexible on D.

 

either that or we don't actually know how to coach basic football.

 

i think it's pretty clear w guys like williams and milano not getting burn early, rotating cbs and OTs, and guys like cook getting sent to the gulags off of one fumble that mcd is slow to trust young guys or just is a bit too much of a perfectionist.

 

my evidence: elam vs pitts and williams vs kc made full on great plays.  maybe they don't get a start over a full roster, but guys who are really too hurt to play should not be in over them.

 

Elam is a scheme fit issue. Williams is not that. He is at a more basic level struggling to adjust to the league