McDermott - Excuses, Valid but concerning

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, phypon said:

I made a similar post right at the thread merge and it got deleted.  I don't understand how you have a game plan for 58 minutes and then abandon it.  At that point, you have 4 downs to get 10 yards, that's it.  If you are bleeding the clock, you bleed the clock.  I can't see JA going "rogue" for 2 plays in a row.  It had to be by design.  The HC and OC should have been on the same page and had their QB on board as well.  Even with a TD there you are giving KC almost 2 minutes with TWO TO's who could move the ball pretty much at will to go for the go ahead score.  They should have stuck with the game plan until there were 5 seconds or less on the clock.  At that point, you either win or go to OT with a chip shot FG.  It's mind boggling and agonizing.  Why did McD change the philosophy at the end of the drive?  It makes no sense.  And, make no mistake about it, that is 100% on him.  !00%!! 

In a nutshell, out of the 2 minute warning the play calls needed to be continuing the possession strategy of the 58 minutes to that point.  Score points and not give the ball back to the Chiefs with sufficient time left on the clock which could allow them to win the game in regulation.  As with past gaffes there's an unexplained disconnect that we'll be left to speculate about once again.  But yeah, ultimately it falls on the guy in charge.  

Edited January 25 by All_Pro_Bills

[strive_for_five_guy]

11 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

On my bucket list is to go one whole day of my life where I only speak or post on social media lyrics from songs.

 

Here's an example:

 

Well you do what you do and you pay for your sins,
And there's no such thing as what might have been,
That's a waste of time, Drive you out of your mind.

 

- Tim McGraw, from Red Ragtop

We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.

[T master]

On 1/22/2024 at 10:15 AM, warrior9 said:

We don’t have a “long long time” with Josh Allen in his prime. If you’re saying you’re ok with waiting to win (when we have the talent right now to do it) because Andy Reid had failures, you are absolutely insane. 

 

No one has a long long time in the NFL but we have a good amount of time with Josh being what 27 ? How long did it take Elway to win a championship & he retired when he was 38 so there's 11 years if Josh stays healthy .

 

Favre was 41 some say he stayed to long but he was Farve till the end you could never count the guy out . So it's not like Josh only has 3 more years, sure i would like just the same as all the Bills fans to win a SB but i'm not willing to continually start all over with the coaching thing .

 

We lived 17 years of that crap & we finally have a good team as far as Beane & McD and the Pegs are willing to give them each everything they need to win, so i'll live right where we are until they get there or just can't have winning seasons & think they will get there .

[phypon]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

No one has a long long time in the NFL but we have a good amount of time with Josh being what 27 ? How long did it take Elway to win a championship & he retired when he was 38 so there's 11 years if Josh stays healthy .

 

Favre was 41 some say he stayed to long but he was Farve till the end you could never count the guy out . So it's not like Josh only has 3 more years, sure i would like just the same as all the Bills fans to win a SB but i'm not willing to continually start all over with the coaching thing .

 

We lived 17 years of that crap & we finally have a good team as far as Beane & McD and the Pegs are willing to give them each everything they need to win, so i'll live right where we are until they get there or just can't have winning seasons & think they will get there .

Classic "drought brain".  But, but, but...we still have up to 11 years to keep doing the same thing until hopefully it works.  Think of how many AFCE championships we could win!  

[T master]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

Classic "drought brain".  But, but, but...we still have up to 11 years to keep doing the same thing until hopefully it works.  Think of how many AFCE championships we could win!  

 

Exactly !! At least i know with what here now we won't be Arizona, the Panthers, or Chicago which i'll take it .

 

And you can continually B**CH about it till they are gone like you and others do now ...

[Livinginthepast]

37 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.

We "stab KC with our steely knives, but we just cant kill the beast"!!

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

In a nutshell, out of the 2 minute warning the play calls needed to be continuing the possession strategy of the 58 minutes to that point.  Score points and not give the ball back to the Chiefs with sufficient time left on the clock which could allow them to win the game in regulation.  As with past gaffes there's an unexplained disconnect that we'll be left to speculate about once again.  But yeah, ultimately it falls on the guy in charge.  

 

I think this is a CLASSIC case of people desperate to pin things on coaching. It is the first place their brain goes "that must have been coaching" but I just think the offense didn't execute very well inside two minutes. I don't believe that McDermott and Brady said "right let's call two endzone shots." It was execution on those two plays out of the two minute warning. Once the ball is snapped the guys on the field have to play. There were first down gaining routes open in both play designs. 

[phypon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think this is a CLASSIC case of people desperate to pin things on coaching. It is the first place their brain goes "that must have been coaching" but I just think the offense didn't execute very well inside two minutes. I don't believe that McDermott and Brady said "right let's call two endzone shots." It was execution on those two plays out of the two minute warning. Once the ball is snapped the guys on the field have to play. There were first down gaining routes open in both play designs. 

For anyone NOT seeing that this is all about coaching in this situational circumstance, it's a classic case of people NOT understanding coaching...

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, phypon said:

For anyone NOT seeing that this is all about coaching in this situational circumstance, it's a classic case of people NOT understanding coaching...

 

Incorrect.

[phypon]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Incorrect.

No, that's def correct.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, phypon said:

No, that's def correct.

 

You have no idea what you are on about. But carry on.

[phypon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Incorrect.

You're the coach.  You've been running out the play clock.  You're at the 25 yard line.  You have a first down with 2:00 left on the clock.  What do you do to win the game?  How would you play that?  Remember, you've been burning clock all drive to keep the ball out of the opponent's hands because you don't trust your defense.  What do you do there coach?  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, phypon said:

You're the coach.  You've been running out the play clock.  You're at the 25 yard line.  You have a first down with 2:00 left on the clock.  What do you do to win the game?  How would you play that?  Remember, you've been burning clock all drive to keep the ball out of the opponent's hands because you don't trust your defense.  What do you do there coach?  

 

You call plays to get yourself another first down and run that clock. Both of the plays they called had first down options available. They called those plays. The guys didn't execute.

[warrior9]

24 minutes ago, T master said:

 

No one has a long long time in the NFL but we have a good amount of time with Josh being what 27 ? How long did it take Elway to win a championship & he retired when he was 38 so there's 11 years if Josh stays healthy .

 

Favre was 41 some say he stayed to long but he was Farve till the end you could never count the guy out . So it's not like Josh only has 3 more years, sure i would like just the same as all the Bills fans to win a SB but i'm not willing to continually start all over with the coaching thing .

 

We lived 17 years of that crap & we finally have a good team as far as Beane & McD and the Pegs are willing to give them each everything they need to win, so i'll live right where we are until they get there or just can't have winning seasons & think they will get there .

I understand what you're saying but do you really want to be a Rodgers and McCarthy situation? 1 SB in 13 years with Aaron Rodgers is REPULSIVE. 

 

I was saying that using the fact that Andy Reid took a while to get there so it's "OK" that we do is absolutely a loser mentality and should not be acceptable. 

[phypon]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You call plays to get yourself another first down and run that clock. Both of the plays they called had first down options available. They called those plays. The guys didn't execute.

Oh, c'mon.  You can do better than that?  Are you serious?  That's how you coach that?  And, you would have lost just like McD did.  What a piss poor answer.

 

And you're blaming the players on top of it.  Ridiculous!!!

Edited January 25 by phypon

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

You're the coach.  You've been running out the play clock.  You're at the 25 yard line.  You have a first down with 2:00 left on the clock.  What do you do to win the game?  How would you play that?  Remember, you've been burning clock all drive to keep the ball out of the opponent's hands because you don't trust your defense.  What do you do there coach?  

 

Run Cook, run Allen. Short passes. Milk the clock. Worst case scenario if the Bills don't win it there is you give Bass a shorter FG attempt to tie it with very little time on the clock for the Chiefs to do anything. Take your chances in OT.

[BananaB]

9 minutes ago, phypon said:

You're the coach.  You've been running out the play clock.  You're at the 25 yard line.  You have a first down with 2:00 left on the clock.  What do you do to win the game?  How would you play that?  Remember, you've been burning clock all drive to keep the ball out of the opponent's hands because you don't trust your defense.  What do you do there coach?  

Everyone keeps saying they were running out the clock but that’s  how they moved the ball on every drive. It wasn’t just this drive. They never just stopped pushing the ball downfield they couldn’t do it all game. When they did have opportunities the WRs never made the catch. The 2nd and 9 was another one of those opportunities, this time targeting our most reliable WR. The WR was open, the olay was there and the protection never held up. 
 

The only time they moved fast all game was the last few minutes before half when they when no huddle. 

Edited January 25 by BananaB

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, phypon said:

Oh, c'mon.  You can do better than that?  Are you serious?  That's how you coach that?  And, you would have lost just like McD did.  What a piss poor answer.

 

And you're blaming the players on top of it.  Ridiculous!!!

 

So what should he have done?

 

Yes I am blaming the players on those two plays. They didn't execute. The plays were there.

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think this is a CLASSIC case of people desperate to pin things on coaching. It is the first place their brain goes "that must have been coaching" but I just think the offense didn't execute very well inside two minutes. I don't believe that McDermott and Brady said "right let's call two endzone shots." It was execution on those two plays out of the two minute warning. Once the ball is snapped the guys on the field have to play. There were first down gaining routes open in both play designs. 

What's mind blowing is they did a superlative job of executing the possession strategy up to that point in time.  

 

So either:

1. Allen went off script, ignored those shorter underneath throws to move the chains, and took those deeper throws.  Which means he ignored the instructions of the HC/OC. 
2. Or Allen was given no specific instructions, and they never discussed anything specific about remaining focused and committed to the ball control time of possession game and keeping the defense off the field as long as possible.

 

Both are concerning possibilities. 

[phypon]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

So what should he have done?

 

Yes I am blaming the players on those two plays. They didn't execute. The plays were there.

If I'm the coach I tell them to play for the first down.  At all costs.  I'm more concerned with the clock.  I tell my QB to not go for the kill shot in the endzone because there is too much time on the clock and I don't have faith in my defense and the Chiefs can score very quickly.  I have to play the chess game there.  If I can't get a first down in 4 tries with JA, we deserve to lose, but that's how I'm playing it.  I already know what can happen in 13 seconds, and again the following year with only 12 seconds, so I'm looking to make a score with 5 seconds or less left on the clock.  I want to win, but I would settle for the tie, but I also want to get more yards for my shaky kicker.  I would go for a first down there on 4th down if I haven't picked it up.  I only kick the field goal if we are at the 15 yard line on 4th down with low time on the clock.