The 2nd and 9 endzone shot to Shakir

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

I love Josh to death but why would he pass up a wide open Stef underneath, a possible first down to drain more clock to instead try and score a TD leaving 1:50 on the clock against a player that beat the Bills with only 13 seconds left?  😭😭

 

Melon farmer's gonna melon farmer.

 

Look I know it's an unpopular take around here because he's been the best QB we've had, maybe ever.

 

But sometimes, the man absolutely sucks at making decisions on the field. Period. He does that at inopportune times and yes, it costs us games. Sometimes big games.

Edited January 22 by Pine Barrens Mafia

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

All the talking about this play or that play, defense was not prepared to play against KC.

[davefan66]

Score when you can score.  You never know what will happen next play.  Botched snap? Int? Fumble?  Score when you can score.

 

I’ll be honest, missed the play. My son and I were dealing with the aftermath the wonderful young women behind us did by puking on mostly him and our seats.  Yeah, so that was fun.

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Because you never make assumptions that you will have another opportunity at a later time for a TD when it's available right now. Anything could have happened.  A sack, tipped ball INT, a receiver fumbling the ball, etc...

 

Playing like you "know" you can just score at some later time isn't a luxury you get in the NFL.

At the very least it would have made an easier kick for Bass…so it’s a win/win in my book, even if we didn’t end up scoring a TD…

Edited January 22 by JaCrispy

[Rich Stadium Original]

I think Allen only gets a little bit of the blame on this play, and he said as much in the press conference.

First of all, if you must, fault Brady for the play call. The team was trying to score when they had the opportunity and that was the call. 

Allen went through his progressions almost instantly.  That was the #1 target in the progression as it was called,  receiver was coming open, thats where he threw it.

Diggs may have been the #2 read in the progression, but it never got that far as the 1st read was open.

You can partly blame Dawkens for not really slowing up the bull rush and ending up in the lap of your QB.

 Finally in the press conference, I believe Allen blames himself for not sliding a little to his right in the dropback...but that would have taken some ESP as he would of had to ANTICIPATE Dawkins was not going to make that block and drift to his right DURING his dropback.

If Allen had to slide off his spot after he had already dropped back, it would have completely thrown off the timing of the play.

 

Edited January 22 by Rich Stadium Original
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[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, Process said:

If you have a guy wide open for a TD you take it there is no debate 

 

Let's say Diggs takes it to the 10.

 

Timeout

 

Run, stopped 

 

Timeout

 

Run, stopped 

 

Throw on third down, incomplete

 

FG

 

Chiefs still have over a minute left

We held them to a 3&out prior series  2 if you include a fugazi pi call. So no telling what happens , 6 straight plays, zero 1st downs. 

I feel ya though, with our luck they score somehow

Random- Josh and Shakir was the 1st time Sneed gave up a TD

[Kmart128]

Shakir was probably Allens first read and it was open. Why even go to the other reads if your first is so wide open. Who is to say that throwing underneath wouldn't have been deflected by the DLineband we are asking why he didn't throw to Shakir wide open

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Melon farmer's gonna melon farmer.

 

Look I know it's an unpopular take around here because he's been the best QB we've had, maybe ever.

 

But sometimes, the man absolutely sucks at making decisions on the field. Period. He does that at inopportune times and yes, it costs us games. Sometimes big games.

 

It was the right decision. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

It was the right decision. 

I stopped at PFF

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I stopped at PFF

I ignore their grades but the analysis is good. Josh saw the CB flat footed off the post route and went for the dagger. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Roundybout said:

I ignore their grades but the analysis is good. Josh saw the CB flat footed off the post route and went for the dagger. 

Which given the situation, was the wrong call. Goal was to choke them out and score LAST.

 

[BillsFan2313]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Going up 4 vs. 3 is an entirely different  scenario. If 
 

I have no problem with taking a shot to a WIDE OPEN receiver in the end zone in this situation. Especially on 2nd down. 
 

people arguing the check down to Diggs are really arguing they want to milk the clock and settle for overtime. That’s the mentality. Milk the clock, play conservative and kick a 28 yard Fg after going ultra conservative in the red zone after picking up the first down to Diggs. 
 

so play for overtime. A loser mentality. 

 

Or it says, I am feeling the pressure coming, let me get some yards and go from there. But hey, loser mentality I guess...

[BillsFan130]

7 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

This will always be debated, and both sides have an argument.

 

I am on the side that you take the touchdown if it's there.

 

He just got knocked off his spot enough to alter the throw that he missed

 

Who knows what happens if he takes Diggs underneath. We will never know

Thank you... 

 

People just assume we are automatically going to get a TD there if we played for the 1st down 

 

Imagine if we got the 1st down , get stopped after, and then bass shanks a 33 yarder? (Which would have been very possible)
 

People would be losing their minds and say why didn't they go for the TD when Shakir was wide open

Edited January 22 by BillsFan130

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Which given the situation, was the wrong call. Goal was to choke them out and score LAST.

 

Thats cowardly, score on them. You might not have the chance again. 
 

 

That thinking is why we did 16 passes behind the line of scrimmage. 

[BillsFan2313]

7 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

Exactly. Just because Diggs catches it... Maybe Diggs fumbles and it's KC ball. Or Diggs is tackled for first down.

 

Next snap, Josh drops back or just runs it and is tackled. Sustains a career ending injury or he scores a TD. 

 

No one knows what happens afterwords. It could have been the same outcome. A missed FG from closer.

Lol

Edited January 22 by BillsFan2313

[Roundybout]

 

 

I agree with this take. 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Going up 4 vs. 3 is an entirely different  scenario. If 
 

I have no problem with taking a shot to a WIDE OPEN receiver in the end zone in this situation. Especially on 2nd down. 
 

people arguing the check down to Diggs are really arguing they want to milk the clock and settle for overtime. That’s the mentality. Milk the clock, play conservative and kick a 28 yard Fg after going ultra conservative in the red zone after picking up the first down to Diggs. 
 

so play for overtime. A loser mentality. 

The mentality is drain the clock as much as you can and score a TD with little to no time left for the chefs to score. So a pretty much a redo of 13 seconds but they need a TD not a FG. If you don’t get the td you still have chance at the tie on a shorter FG for your struggling kicker with little to no time left. 

We see where the way you wanted got us. A loss. So wouldn’t that be a losers mentality? 

[stevewin]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Am I the only one who thinks that if Cook bounced that outside he might have scored?  There was lilterally nobody outside the last guy on the line and he crashed down hard. Cook might have jogged into the endzone, or at the very least got tackled inside the 10 by the safety coming over. They had 9 guys on the LOS, there was nobody past the first wave.

Everyone mad about the first down run - I don't have a problem with calling the play initially- cook had been tearing off runs up the middle the whole game - i dont understand how/why you don't check out of it if it is so obvious they are selling out to stop it before the snap

Edited January 22 by stevewin

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

I agree with this take. 

 

 

I am taking the 4-5 yds there in that situation. If the play was to go to Shakir in that spot then I question the play call and timing of it. We needed the higher percentage play there with the amount of time remaining knowing KC was moving ball with ease against this defense. I would then have gone for it on 4th down if we were unable to convert and it was close enough. Put the ball in your best player's hand and allow him to make something happen. Same thing with 3rd down take what was given to give yourself a shot at converting it on 4th if you needed to.

Edited January 22 by billieve420

[HappyDays]

Perfect read from Allen. Chris Jones made the play. That's it.