The 2nd and 9 endzone shot to Shakir

[Avisan]

Yeah, I don't get the fear narrative.  It isn't about fear; it's about delivering the mortal wound.

 

Getting the TD with 1:55 left, 2 TOs for KC, and 4-down territory all drive isn't mortal.  Not when your defense is barely able to be fielded.

 

The mortal wound is grinding down the clock and getting the TD at the end.  Brady and Manning take the underneath there.  They take the high percentage passes that they know WILL lead to the endzone at the end, or at worst set up a chip shot field goal with minimal time left.

 

Brady and Manning felt inevitable.  They would grind it down the field and break you, and all you could do was watch.  We spent two decades under Brady's heel, we all should KNOW what that looks like.  Allen went for the lower-probability, survivable strike instead and didn't connect.

 

Still beyond thankful we have him.  It's okay to acknowledge what he lacks compared to the true greats, though.

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

okay, so what time are you comfortable with? 1:40? 1:30? 1:20? 1:10?  What’s the magic number? Eventually you have to score. In a perfect world you score with 1 second.
 

Also in a perfect world Bills are up 4 TD’s and it’s all irrelevant. You can’t play the game based on perfect scenarios occurring. 

< 1 minute to go and both timeouts spent.  We were on track to do it.

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins&#x27; Rib said:

okay, so what time are you comfortable with? 1:40? 1:30? 1:20? 1:10?  What’s the magic number? Eventually you have to score. In a perfect world you score with 1 second.
 

Also in a perfect world Bills are up 4 TD’s and it’s all irrelevant. You can’t play the game based on perfect scenarios occurring. 

I understand eventually we have to score. That's not lost on me. But I would rather score with as close to one minute left as possible and try to have Mahomes drive down with only one minute of time instead of nearly 2 whole minutes 

[Success]

I think anyone who second guesses that just second guesses a lot of stuff.

 

Life isn't in slow mo - JA made a decision to try to win the game there, and the play was open.

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Yeah, I don't get the fear narrative.  It isn't about fear; it's about delivering the mortal wound.

 

Getting the TD with 1:55 left, 2 TOs for KC, and 4-down territory all drive isn't mortal.  Not when your defense is barely able to be fielded.

 

The mortal wound is grinding down the clock and getting the TD at the end.  Brady and Manning take the underneath there.  They take the high percentage passes that they know WILL lead to the endzone at the end, or at worst set up a chip shot field goal with minimal time left.

 

Brady and Manning felt inevitable.  They would grind it down the field and break you, and all you could do was watch.  We spent two decades under Brady's heel, we all should KNOW what that looks like.  Allen went for the lower-probability, survivable strike instead and didn't connect.

 

Still beyond thankful we have him.  It's okay to acknowledge what he lacks compared to the true greats, though.

< 1 minute to go and both timeouts spent.  We were on track to do it.

I get everyone wants to bleed the clock down as much as possible but number priority had to be to score a TD. 
 

again, scenario is totally different if a TD only puts you up 3. In that scenario then bleeding the clock is more important than scoring. 

[Avisan]

Just now, Sammy Watkins&#x27; Rib said:

I get everyone wants to bleed the clock down as much as possible but number priority had to be to score a TD. 
 

again, scenario is totally different if a TD only puts you up 3. In that scenario then bleeding the clock is more important than scoring. 

Number one priority is to tie or go ahead with no time left on the clock for the Chiefs.  A decade ago this was commonly and thoroughly understood, and I'm frankly confused at why so many posters here aren't getting it.

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

Milk the clock and score a TD is the only way I'm interpreting those that wanted the throw to Diggs.

Yep, defense wasn’t stopping anyone tonight 

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, Bferra13 said:

Not enough Kincaid in this game. Not even close. 

Terrible usage. While Sherfield and Diggs handed the game to the Chiefs he ignored for large parts of the game.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

Number one priority is to tie or go ahead with no time left on the clock for the Chiefs.  A decade ago this was commonly and thoroughly understood, and I'm frankly confused at why so many posters here aren't getting it.

Because if you can’t get the TD the point is moot anyway. Just get the TD. 
 

If we are looking for legitimate criticism I would maybe look at the decision to kick a Fg for the tie with 1:50 left. Not that I even think it was a bad decision to go for the Fg there though.  4th and 9 is a tough spot to be in as a coach. 
 

if I am to criticize Allen it’s not for the 2nd 9 throw but for the 3rd and 9 throw. On 3rd down he needs to make sure he gained any kind of positive yards. Even a 3 yard pick up probably has us going for it on 4th 6 which would be a wet dream for all the folks that want to milk the clock as much as possible. 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

I think anyone who second guesses that just second guesses a lot of stuff.

 

Life isn't in slow mo - JA made a decision to try to win the game there, and the play was open.

 

Agreed.  In an ideal world he checks down twice, gets the 1st down, the chiefs burn their 2 timeouts and we score a td or kick a field goal with no time left.  Hard to fault him for taking that shot to shakir.  It was open and you can’t get cute down 3 with a shaky kicker.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Yep, defense wasn’t stopping anyone tonight 

felt that way but the defense did force the chiefs to punt on their possession prior to the missed Fg. Chiefs had a 5 play 8 yard drive. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins&#x27; Rib said:

Because if you can’t get the TD the point is moot anyway. Just get the TD. 
 

If we are looking for legitimate criticism I would maybe look at the decision to kick a Fg for the tie with 1:50 left. Not that I even think it was a bad decision to go for the Fg there though.  4th and 9 is a tough spot to be in as a coach. 
 

if I am to criticize Allen it’s not for the 2nd 9 throw but for the 3rd and 9 throw. On 3rd down he needs to make sure he gained any kind of positive yards. Even a 3 yard pick up probably has us going for it on 4th 6 which would be a wet dream for all the folks that want to milk the clock as much as possible. 

 

 

No way McD goes for it on 4th and 6 in that situation.  Maybe 4th and 2 or less, but not 4th and 6

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

No way McD goes for it on 4th and 6 in that situation.  Maybe 4th and 2 or less, but not 4th and 6

I’d be super pissed if we had 4th and 6 or less and didn’t go for it.  Kicking the Fg there gives you a very low chance of winning. It should be a legitimate consideration even on 4th and 9. 

[weebdestroyer12]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

Milk the clock and score a TD is the only way I'm interpreting those that wanted the throw to Diggs.

Exactly, people that wanted diggs first down wasn't trying to play for OT either. We wanted milk the clock cause WE KNEW the bills were scoring a TD there. Could Shakir catch would have been better? Easy to say, what if he dropped it? What if he never gotten possession and when he fell the ball was still moving? Everything is alot of should've, would've and could've. 

[chongli]

 

 

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

Diggs was going full speed opposite direction josh is looking. It's definitely not a gimme and josh thought he had the TD. He played incredible,  let's cut him some slack .main blame should go to receivers,  kicker,  defensive line, and coaching.  

[billieve420]

13 minutes ago, chongli said:

If Diggs wasn't the primary then he was the decoy on that route and ball was never meant to go to him. I then have an issue with the play call at that moment in the game.

 

[Dafan]

2 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

I love Josh to death but why would he pass up a wide open Stef underneath, a possible first down to drain more clock to instead try and score a TD leaving 1:50 on the clock against a player that beat the Bills with only 13 seconds left?  The goal was very simple here.   It’s to score a TD with almost no time left especially when only a field goal is all the Bills need to extend the game so it wasn’t like the Bills needed a TD on that down.  I know he doesn’t have a coach that will hold him accountable like Dabol would but we are on year six here where he should already know the situation.  I love Josh we owe all these playoff years to him but I’m so dissapointed that he wouldn’t be able to dissect that situation for what it was.  I can’t put that one on Sean as much as I have wanted him gone for a few years😭😭

He made the right read IMO.  Give it 0.01 of a second more of protection and he hits him wide-open in the end zone.  And as much as ppl say he had the easy first down.  That same defender that bumped him was directly in between him and the Diggs open for the first.  If allen attempts that pass and it's batted down, you'd all be saying he had a guy wide-open in the end zone.  

Edited January 22 by Dafan

[billieve420]

30 minutes ago, Dafan said:

He made the right read IMO.  Give it 0.01 of a second more of protection and he hits him wide-open in the end zone.  And as much as ppl say he had the easy first down.  That same defender that bumped him was directly in between him and the Diggs open for the first.  If allen attempts that pass and it's batted down, you'd all be saying he had a guy wide-open in the end zone.  

Ball should have been out before he even got hit. Diggs was immediately open once the ball was snapped. On 2nd and 9 I am giving it to my playmakers to go and try to make something happen. Knowing I have 2 more downs to try and get the first if it is close as we were trying to play the clock and score TD at the same time.
 

I rather lose with the ball in my best player’s hands versus settling for a FG there. 4th and 9 we didn’t have much of a choice. If we could have gotten it to closer to a first. I am letting Josh try to convert knowing KC would probably drive for the winning FG regardless if we tied it up. So for me on 2nd and 3rd downs. I am looking to scheme someone open underneath to gain a few yards versus going for the kill shot at that moment in the game. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

There is not 2 sides to this argument.  You take the TD when the TD is there and will put you up 4 with the opponent needing a TD with less than 2 min remaining in the game.  
 

You don’t dink and dunk and hope you get another shot at a TD just to chew clock and maybe end up in OT or worse, miss the FG or turn the ball over.

 

Every Coach in the NFL takes the TD there over uncertainty 10 times out of 10.  Shakir was the right pass, Allen was just unfortunately affected on the throw at the last second.

[Xwnyer]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

At least not from that formation it wasn't.

Brady feel,it I the trap if the success running in first half,  second half the offense was shut down and he failed to incorporate play action on first down or second and short.  The bomb to Diggs was first down play action but didn’t connect.