Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

Those were good decisions if we were down by two scores. We weren’t. He should have taken higher percentage shots that would have moved the chains, sustained drives and kept the Chiefs off the field. 

 

Wanting the QB to choose a higher percentage shot is NOT the same thing as hero ball. For example, A 5 yard pass may be a lower percentage shot than throwing a 1 yard pass to the RB, but that doesn’t mean that throwing the 5 yard pass is therefore “hero ball”. Allen never played hero ball tonight. At any point. Ever.

 

Second - on two of the deep throws, they WERE the highest percentage shot. The receiver was open and everyone else was blanketed.

 

Third - on the 2nd and 9 play, Diggs was a higher percentage shot, but you take the endzone when you have it. Why? Because you don’t know if you’ll ever get that wide open of a receiver in the endzone again. For example, what if Allen hits Diggs and we get the first down, then the next play the pass gets tipped by a WR and it’s INT’ed? Or Cook fumbles the ball? Or we get a holding penalty that crushes our chances of scoring a TD since it’s now 20 yards for a first down? You take the endzone shot when you have a guy wide open in the endzone.

[DapperCam]

42 minutes ago, butch rolle said:

I find it so hard to put into words how I feel about Josh.  He is simply the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise.  At the same time, if I'm being objective, Mahomes is the better quarterback.  How do you argue with the body of work at this point?

 

Yet if you ask me if I do a straight up quarterback swap with the Chiefs, I'd say no way.  I want the bills to win the Lombardi but I want it to be with Josh!

Mahomes is in such a better situation it’s impossible to compare. Even though they had similar stats tonight, Mahomes barely looked like he broke a sweat. Throws were to open players, and when he made a couple contested passes on the first drive of the 2nd half, his receivers made the plays. One of his TDs was a complete wide open gift on a busted coverage. He was barely pressured, and when he was it was the only time the Chiefs had to punt.

 

Even his big scramble was him waddling down the sideline half-speed behind a blocker escorting him.

 

Compare to Allen, where he is constantly escaping pressure, making big runs, and delivering difficulty throws all over the field that his WRs drop. And it isn’t about not taking the “easy stuff”. Most of his passes were behind the line of scrimmage tonight.

 

The difference to me, is that Reid is 20x whatever offensive coaches we have.

[vanislebills44]

initially i was all over the miss 2 diggs on 2nd n 9, 2nd thought, shakir was open...should allen have shifted right?? maybe..did he c jones coming??.but common sense says take 7 if its there...hindsight now says quick snap 2 diggs

[Thrivefourfive]

He really is a monster in December and the playoffs. 
 

I’ve been setting up this team up as being better than the 2021 team. I included many variables, including this teams memories of the 21 team losing in Arrowhead. In claiming this was our best shot, I looked at our opponents and the venues. 
 

We blew it. To me, this is worse then 13 seconds. At least 13 seconds ended with being favored the next season to win the Super Bowl and stomping the defending champs at home in the season opener, like the 91 Bills after wide right. But that all fell apart tragically. 
 

44 yards carries with it all the ghosts of Billsies past, and therefore each and every Billsy in the future will burn much deeper than the last [Billsy].
 

Edited January 22 by Thrivefourfive

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

So?

 

0-3 against Mahomes in the playoffs … will hear it a thousand times 

Still got those regular season wins against KC so that’s pretty cool. Some people were so proud of those that they’d thought this would be an easy win. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

Still got those regular season wins against KC so that’s pretty cool. Some people were so proud of those that they’d thought this would be an easy win. 

He can’t catch the ball for Diggs or Sherfield or kick the ball for Tyler bass his team around him sucks 

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Those were good decisions if we were down by two scores. We weren’t. He should have taken higher percentage shots that would have moved the chains, sustained drives and kept the Chiefs off the field. 

You want him to checkdown every play? You can always trade him in the off season for a Brock Purdy I’m sure the niners would do that trade in a second 

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

You know you’re in a Bills forum when there is an 8 page topic on what game JA played better in out of two losses. 

 

I'm going to lose sleep finding Jim Kelly’s best lost games 😂 
 

 

Which one do you want to choose the field goal miss to the giants or the second beating from the cowboys? 

[chongli]

 

 

[Mikie2times]

27 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

We need to score a TD on that last drive right? He’s a HOF QB and we need a TD in that spot. 

[BananaB]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

The problem is Allen has to be Superman, play out of his mind, AND make every read and every throw, plus run the ball, and not miss guys or turn it over.

 

Even then, it might not be good enough. 

 

Tonight he got hit while throwing and missed Shakir at the end. So he wasn't absolutely perfect. Even if he was, it might not have been enough.

 

Tonight he dropped a 50+ yard moonball right into Diggs hands and he drops it. 

 

 

It really is at the point in order for the the Bills to win a Championship Allen has to be beyond perfect which is impossible 

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

 

Shouldn’t that be a knock on the defence? I mean we all watched the games it ain’t the O that is letting this team down in the playoffs it’s the defense 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

It really is at the point in order for the the Bills to win a Championship Allen has to be beyond perfect which is impossible 

Shouldn’t that be a knock on the defence? I mean we all watched the games it ain’t the O that is letting this team down in the playoffs it’s the defense 

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

[Governor]

I’m not surprised Allen went to the end zone because Diggs had just dropped the last pass (maybe 2?)thrown to him. He couldn’t catch anything all night.

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

So it’s Allen’s fault Dawkins got pushed into him well delivering what would have been a go ahead pass. Right🙄

 

Watch the game for over again, Allen played exactly  how people on this board have  been ranting about all year long. He took everything they gave, he ran when needed and he was on target when he took his chances down field. 11 guys on the field, more then just Allen gotta do their ***** job. 

 

If the WRs did the job earlier that drive ain’t even talked about.  We had 3 40 yard passes hit our WRs in the second half and not one made a catch. 
 

 

Edited January 22 by BananaB

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

 

I still feel Josh could have done better on the final drive but, excluding that, he was basically the offense last night. He had very little support other than Kincaid early on. In comparison, Mahomes didn't have to look far for help.

[Mikie2times]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So it’s Allen’s fault Dawkins got pushed into him well delivering what would have been a go ahead pass. Right🙄

 

Watch the game for over again, Allen played exactly  how people on this board have  been ranting about all year long. He took everything they gave, he ran when needed and he was on target when he took his chances down field. 11 guys on the field, more then just Allen gotta do their ***** job. 

 

If the WRs did the job earlier that drive ain’t even talked about.  We had 3 40 yard passes hit our WRs in the second half and not one made a catch. 
 

 

I never said it was Allen’s fault. I said asking Allen to close out a final drive is not anything that hasn’t been asked by Mahomes, Brady, and every other Super Bowl champion in NFL history. People are acting as if we put some unmanageable burden on Josh in this game. Not at all the case. The poor defensive performance increased that burden but he still nearly got it done with 200 yards passing and most that damage behind the line of scrimmage. 

Edited January 22 by Mikie2times

[JerseyBills]

My thing is , we came out on fire on O, 2 possessions,  10 points, Allen looked phenomenal 

 

Rest of game 14 points

 

Them 1st 2 drives were awesome 

[BananaB]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I never said it was Allen’s fault. I said asking Allen to close out a final drive is not anything that hasn’t been asked by Mahomes, Brady, and every other Super Bowl champion in NFL history. People are acting as if we put some

unmanageable burden on Josh in this game. Not at all the case. The poor defensive performance increased that burden but he still nearly got it done with 200 yards passing and most that damage behind the line of scrimmage. 

Brady and Mahomes get help from their teammates to make plays. Look at the catch by MVS. Look at the easy TD to Kelce…. Ask Dawkins why he couldn’t hold his ***** block longer? There is your answer why Allen didn’t deliver on the final drive. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

My thing is , we came out on fire on O, 2 possessions,  10 points, Allen looked phenomenal 

 

Rest of game 14 points

 

Them 1st 2 drives were awesome 

Stalled drives by WRs not catching the ball. Plain and simple. They adjusted to stop our run and Bills continued to try to pound it making moving the chains harder

[Mikie2times]

Just now, BananaB said:

Brady and Mahomes get help from their teammates to make plays. Look at the catch by MVS. Look at the easy TD to Kelce…. Ask Dawkins why he couldn’t hold his ***** block longer? There is your answer why Allen didn’t deliver on the final drive. 
 

 

My point was can we not act like we asked Josh to go thru child birth because we needed a TD late in a game in the postseason? It’s basically mandatory if you want to win it.

[BananaB]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

My point was can we not act like we asked Josh to go thru child birth because we needed a TD late in a game in the postseason? It’s basically mandatory if you want to win it.

But only mandatory for him, not the other 10 guys on the field.  
 

The play was there, the WR was open, the blocking did not hold up. 
 

After that I think Allen knew ahead of time on third down if he didn’t move the chains McD was kicking a FG. Is what it is. More then just Allen gotta make a play

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

Again. His decision making very late was bad.