Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, zow2 said:

 

Pacheco was huge and didn't play in the regular season matchup.  Plus Mahomes is obviously a GREAT QB, throws on point and the receivers caught everything last night.  AT one point they had 8 chunk plays to our zero. KC's defense, while solid, got pushed around last night but they got some stops when needed.  And lucky with the Bass miss which may have only prolonged our agony another couple mins.

Yeah Bass making the kick would be moot anyways. We all know what would happen following that. 

 

I was watching and wondering if they should have just gone for it on 4th down. You know you are going to lose with a fg the other way anyways. Make them go get a Td.

[BillsMontreal]

Allen and the offense were our best Defense yesterday.  The only reason the Chiefs didnt score 40points is because the time our offense was on the field.

 

A lot of QB could score at will against a backup Defense.  They gave us all they can, but there's a limit of this -next man up- concept.

A couple of -next man up- is fine. Others starters could talk to them on the field. But so many bakcup at this time of the year in playoff? 

 

The Chiefs should win this game easily.  Our Bills stay in the game by eating the clock a lot on offense.

 

We can talk about every play we missed, but the Chiefs also missed some play and a big one at the goal line  when they fumble the ball.

 

The offense really did a good job to keep that game close. 

It's sad because they did almost everthing they had to do to help the defense, stay in the game, and they kinda blew it at the two minuts warning.

 

Credits to the Chiefs, but they are very lucky this year. They just played their two playoffs game against decimate defense. 

They did what they had to do in both game, but they didnt play against an healtly Bills yesterday and it's part of the game.

 

Bottom of line, we are 5-6 now in playoffs. It is what it is, no matter behing how many wins in season we want to hide that fact.

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

So?

 

0-3 against Mahomes in the playoffs … will hear it a thousand times 

MaOwned

[Roundybout]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

Insane ***** take. How do people STILL default to blame Allen when he breaks his neck every single week just for a first down???

Edited January 22 by Roundybout

[2003Contenders]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

At least two of those three long passes are caught by almost any competent NFL WR.  Did you see the catch the KC WR made on the long pass to kick off the 3rd quarter which was exactly the same pay that Sherfield couldn't make?  And I don't want to hear a peep from Diggs or his brother in the off season.  NOT A FREAKING WORD.

 

 

Bingo! The difference in the game? Mahomes' much-maligned receivers caught virtually every catchable pass thrown to them -- Josh's did not.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

As great as he was during the 13 seconds game, the Chiefs were a mess defensively, tripping over themselves as Einstein said, and he had support from the rest of the offense through the game. How many drops were there during 13 seconds? And last night? Arguably, he was a key component during 13 seconds but not the be all and end all. Last night, bar Kincaid early on, he had to do everything.

 

Having slept on it, I’m in two minds about the final drive, but can see why he threw deep. It’s a shame that’s going to detract what he did for through the rest of the game.

They needed to score a TD there but don't take that to mean I am criticizing Allen.   Yes Diggs needs to catch the ball, I can give Sherfield a pass given his stature in the league.  Diggs is paid to make that catch.   I will also say the catch was not easy, not may passes are caught in the NFL with 65 air yards but it is reasonable to expect Diggs to make that play.   I think Allen was outstanding, to me the failure was the inability to stop the Chiefs offense.  It would have been ok to take the underneath play on 2nd and 9 to get into 3rd and short but Shakir was open, he just got affected by Chris Jones.   Even if the kick goes through, they are fairly big dogs to lose giving the ball to Mahomes with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts.

[Dan Darragh]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

That's what I love about this board, you can say whatever you want without regard to facts.

[Matt_In_NH]

The Chiefs defense is outstanding which I am not sure is understood enough.  This game was lost on defense, if you told me the BIlls will run the ball effectively, score 24 points and have no turnovers I would have taken that.   Allowing those guys to score 27 in your house with a limited number of drives was the issue.  We can make the injury excuse but to me that is all it is, you have to scheme it up and fine a way.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

7 points in the second half yesterday.  13 seconds he threw two tds in the last two minutes.  Why is this thread still going?   It’s like the Klein covering kelce of threads.  

 

Because some of us understood football and know that Allen doesn’t catch the ball or kick the field goals:

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

Allen was absolutely legendary tonight. Ran when he should have. Passed when he should have. Took the check down when he should have. He was darn near PERFECT.

 

67%, 258 total yards, 3 TD’s, 0 INT.

 

And against a top 5 Chiefs defense that was mostly healthy, unlike our mash unit.

 

Had Diggs and Sherfield played the game with NFL receiver hands, Allen would have had close to 400 yards of offense by himself.

 

And I don’t want to hear jack squat about his throw to the endzone on 2nd and 9. Allen had two good options on that play;

 

1) Shakir open in the endzone.

2) Diggs open on the crosser.

 

He chose Shakir, who had made several great catches during the game, over Diggs who had 2 drops during the game.

 

If Chris Jones didn’t push Dawkins into Allen’s side as he threw it, that would have been Allen’s 4th TD of the game.

 

Why do I believe he was better tonight that in the 13 seconds game? In that game, Allen by and large took advantage of the Chiefs falling over each other. Numerous slips and blown coverages. In this game, Allen was methodical tonight. 

 

It doesn't matter what Allen does, Defense sucks, play calling sucks and they provide him with crap for weapons. The man is fighting with both hands and feet tied and he STILL seems to make plays.  He should hold out this year and watch this team draft in the top 3-5, maybe then Terry wakes the hell up and understands he needs to take care of our franchise QB before anything else.  I doubt he will get it though.

[klos63]

59 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Chiefs defense is outstanding which I am not sure is understood enough.  This game was lost on defense, if you told me the BIlls will run the ball effectively, score 24 points and have no turnovers I would have taken that.   Allowing those guys to score 27 in your house with a limited number of drives was the issue.  We can make the injury excuse but to me that is all it is, you have to scheme it up and fine a way.

Injuries are a pretty valid reason for ineffective play.  You can't always just ' find a way'.  Missing Milano and Bernard, having them replaced with a player no nfl team wanted isn't good. 

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. 

 

You continue to have a difficult time separating an individual persons play from the offense as a whole.

 

- ALLEN threw a 70 yard bomb into the bread basket of his receiver on that final drive, and the receiver dropped it. That’s not on Allen.

 

- ALLEN diagnosed the defense and found a wide open Shakir for the go ahead TD and his left tackle was manhandled so badly on the play that he was pushed into him as he threw it. That’s not on Allen.

 

- ALLEN did not call a run on 1st down into a stacked box, effectively wasting a play.

 

If receivers had caught the balls Allen threw perfectly, we are talking about 300+ yard passing and 70+ yard rushing and 4 TD game for Allen.

 

If his LT didn’t get manhandled on 2nd and 9, we are talking about Allen throwing a laser for the go ahead TD.

Again, these are not Allen’s fault.

 

There are 10 other players on the offense. Not just Allen.

 

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Edited January 22 by Einstein

[Royale with Cheese]

Allen played well and well enough to win the game.  He wasn’t legendary and no where close to 13 seconds. 

[TheBrownBear]

Allen was really good last night.  I think the thing that actually hurt us the most on that final drive was being down 3 points instead of say 28-24.  Given that we could tie the game with a field goal, Josh almost had to be slightly more careful with the ball than he otherwise would have, and we also lost a down by having the option to kick the FG.  There is little doubt in my mind that Allen drives us in for a TD with about 15-45 seconds to play if the FG option was off the table.

[Einstein]

11 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

The boxscore was obviously a lot more impressive in the 13 second game,  but I agree he was actually better tonight. The passing yardage is hurt by how often we ran the ball and the multiple drops. 

 

Post of the thread right here. 100% correct.

 

Those saying he was better in 13 seconds only remember the final 5 minutes. We punted FOUR times in that 13 seconds game. Allen played well of course, but it was two TD’s in blown coverages against the Chiefs backups that made the game legend. The Gabe TD that extended the game, no one was within 10 yards of him.

 

Last night, Allen was methodical. Brady-esque at times. He repeatedly took the smart play, whether that be a quick hitter for 5 yards or a swing pass, or extending the drive with his legs.

 

Had Sherfield and Diggs not coated their hands in butter, and Dawkins not manhandled, Allen would have had close to 400 yards of offense and 4 TD’s last night.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Because some of us understood football and know that Allen doesn’t catch the ball or kick the field goals:

Clearly you dont

31 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Injuries are a pretty valid reason for ineffective play.  You can't always just ' find a way'.  Missing Milano and Bernard, having them replaced with a player no nfl team wanted isn't good. 

I just believe they should have been able to overcome the deficiencies to make one or two stops the first three quarters against that offense (the 2023 version which was not that great).  

[RousseauRage]

Yay...another loss where we can pretend he's the greatest 🙄

[Mikie2times]

38 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Because some of us understood football and know that Allen doesn’t catch the ball or kick the field goals:

Allen played very well and I certainly don't blame him for the loss. But history does not care about anything you just said. Nobody remembers what a QB had when he didn't or didn't execute a game winning drive. Nobody is talking about how a OL was pushed back into the QB and that is why he missed a throw or a team that shouldn't have called a run play who did and that's why they didn't have enough plays. It is downright normal for a QB to have to execute on a game winning drive and at the end of the day all that matter is yes or no. Did he or didn't he. In this case he didn't, so to call this a legendary performance really is a flat out joke. It was a very good performance, certainly enough to win. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

12 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

Turn in your keys sir, you're fired. 

Get this kid some receivers for Gods sake. EVERY year it's these retread bums. 

Diggs is washed. Gabe is gone, Khalil is the only one worth a *****. 

And Dalton needs to be featured more. 

 

[Einstein]

22 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Allen played very well and I certainly don't blame him for the loss. But history does not care about anything you just said. 

 

Who mentioned anything about history (except for you)? You are creating a strawman argument.

 

What was said is that Allen played great. Period. That’s it.

 

Allen deserved the win. 

 

Diggs ruined it for him. Sherfield ruined it for him. Dawkins (on one play anyway) ruined it for him.

 

 

40 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Clearly you dont

 

 

Says the guy who blames Allen for only 7 second half points and points to Klein (who gave up a grand total of TWO receptions to Kelce the entire game).