GunnerBill Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I see your point and I see where you are coming from. I guess my question is do you think this regime will ever win a Super Bowl here? If the answer is no, I think you have to make the move now when guys like Harbaugh, Belichick, and Vrabel, even Pete Carroll are on the market. If they look to make a move next year, those guys probably aren't available. In my opinion, they will not win the whole thing with this regime. On the next point, from the perspective of a coach, player execution falls into the coach's job. To some level, so does player performance. Now no one could have done anything to make Diggs catch that ball...that's on him and that is where player performance comes in. But the lack of execution is on the coaching staff and that starts with McDermott. If they run it back, next year will not have a different result. I don't know the answer to that question. Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Anyone looking at the IR and injury reports knew that a Chiefs victory was probable. And let's think about coaches for a moment. Each team has a Big Four: HC, DC, OC, and STC. But you can simplify this and look at the Duo. A defensive HC needs a good OC. An offensive HC needs a good DC. The Duo in KC is Reid and Spagnola. Both are recognized savants at their craft. Combined with Mahomes, they're the reason the Chiefs get to the AFCCG all the time. Our Duo is McD and Kid Brady (interim). And despite our best defensive players being in the hospital ward, this game came down to a FG that should have sent this game into OT. Our Duo nearly beat KC's legendary Duo despite our bloodied and bandaged roster. We weren't outcoached. And this loss didn't prevent a run at the SB. Did anyone seriously believe this beat-up defense could've beaten the Ravens if we had defeated the Chiefs? 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If the EXACT situation happened next year, I’d assume that you’d run it back? If the Bills had injuries, a slow start and then lost in the divisional round to KC, it would be okay? If the answer is no, then why are we running it back again? When is “enough, enough?” If the answer is yes, then we are accepting that divisional round losses as okay. I can't tell you what I will think in a year's time because it isn't based on a gut feeling it is based on an honest assessment of what has happened. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I can't tell you what I will think in a year's time because it isn't based on a gut feeling it is based on an honest assessment of what has happened. I get that. I guess what I don’t get is when do the results matter more than our feelings/perception? Would you agree that lots of coaches could win at least a playoff game with Josh and this roster? What is McDermott doing, in your mind that “(insert HC candidate here)” wouldn’t accomplish? I think that there are dozens of guys that could win a playoff game every year with Josh Allen. I’m not worried about going backwards. I want to find the guy that can take us forward. It hasn’t been McDermott and I don’t need to see him try again. 5 1 2 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I say 49% chance this summer, 75% next summer. Quote
peterpan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Were not firing him. If you could somehow hire Harbaugh before firing McD then sure. I just don’t see it happening Quote
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Belichick is sitting right there. He LOVES 17. You know he wants to stick it to Kraft. He’s beaten Mahomes in the playoffs in Arrowhead. I have confidence with a QB like Josh he would build a monster defense to support his QB, idk why, but I think he’s got some experience in how to win with elite QBs. idc that’s he 72 if his mind is still sharp. 2 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 31 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Anyone looking at the IR and injury reports knew that a Chiefs victory was probable. And let's think about coaches for a moment. Each team has a Big Four: HC, DC, OC, and STC. But you can simplify this and look at the Duo. A defensive HC needs a good OC. An offensive HC needs a good DC. The Duo in KC is Reid and Spagnola. Both are recognized savants at their craft. Combined with Mahomes, they're the reason the Chiefs get to the AFCCG all the time. Our Duo is McD and Kid Brady (interim). And despite our best defensive players being in the hospital ward, this game came down to a FG that should have sent this game into OT. Our Duo nearly beat KC's legendary Duo despite our bloodied and bandaged roster. We weren't outcoached. And this loss didn't prevent a run at the SB. Did anyone seriously believe this beat-up defense could've beaten the Ravens if we had defeated the Chiefs? Who hires the OC for us? A big part of being a HC is recognizing and finding good coordinators and coaches. If you're saying that's an issue, whose fault is that? And McD's side of the ball has failed us in these big games and moments for YEARS. We were relatively healthy in 20 and 21 and gave up 38 and 42 points in those games. Allen was outstanding in 2 out of these 3 games and we lost both. McD's side of the ball couldn't even hold a lead with 13 seconds left. 1 Quote
extrahammer Posted January 22 Posted January 22 At this point, I'll get scapegoated, but I believe we should go get Belichick. Otherwise we're going to have to keep trying to go through teams like the Chiefs and Bengals, and McD can't outsmart Andy Reid. He's not going to make up the gap of experience. Josh deserves a coach that's going to take him to another level, and we do too. 2 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: Belichick is sitting right there. He LOVES 17. You know he wants to stick it to Kraft. He’s beaten Mahomes in the playoffs in Arrowhead. I have confidence with a QB like Josh he would build a monster defense to support his QB, idk why, but I think he’s got some experience in how to win with elite QBs. idc that’s he 72 if his mind is still sharp. I don't know about Belichick because of the age....but I just wanted to comment that we don't even need a guy who can build a monster defense...just one that can even be decent in these big games and mitigate some damage. It would be a big improvement if he could even come in here and just do that. Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I get that. I guess what I don’t get is when do the results matter more than our feelings/perception? Would you agree that lots of coaches could win at least a playoff game with Josh and this roster? What is McDermott doing, in your mind that “(insert HC candidate here)” wouldn’t accomplish? I think that there are dozens of guys that could win a playoff game every year with Josh Allen. I’m not worried about going backwards. I want to find the guy that can take us forward. It hasn’t been McDermott and I don’t need to see him try again. Feelings don't matter. Results obviously do. But so do the reasons behind the results. Quote
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I don't know about Belichick because of the age....but I just wanted to comment that we don't even need a guy who can build a monster defense...just one that can even be decent in these big games and mitigate some damage. It would be a big improvement if he could even come in here and just do that. I agree with the age sentiment, but we keep electing guys older than him to run the “free world”, this is just a game. I’d do it for 3-5 years, besides our best years as a franchise were with Marv who was pushing 70 himself in the Super Bowl years and everybody knows late 60s in the 1990s was like being in your late 80s now, or so I hear. Quote
HappyDays Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future. As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime. 2 2 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Just now, HappyDays said: I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future. As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime. It's maddening that we're wasting the best talent we've ever had here. Maybe the best we'll ever have in our lifetimes. All for a coach that doesn't actually excel at anything. 1 Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted January 22 Posted January 22 McDermott makes excuses easy to give because he’s an excuse maker. There’s always going to be some excuse with this guy. The players will always have an out because their leader always has an excuse. 1 Quote
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Maybe they could just trade McDermott? Wouldn’t be the first time a coach has been traded… I hear there is an opening in Carolina… 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Feelings don't matter. Results obviously do. But so do the reasons behind the results. But how do those reasons as whole for all of these playoff disappointments line up favorably for McD? They don't at all. Quote
Dick_Cheney Posted January 22 Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future. As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime. It hurts, honestly. It's a very defeating feeling to feel like regardless of how impressive Josh and the rest of the team can be and how high our hopes are going to get, it's just not going to be enough. Maybe I'm not absolutely, entirely hopeless, but it really sucks feeling like the coaching all around is more of a detriment than an asset. That shouldn't be the case, ever. 1 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: I agree with the age sentiment, but we keep electing guys older than him to run the “free world”, this is just a game. I’d do it for 3-5 years, besides our best years as a franchise were with Marv who was pushing 70 himself in the Super Bowl years and everybody knows late 60s in the 1990s was like being in your late 80s now, or so I hear. I mean I don't agree with the first part either, for either guy on either side, obviously age can be a factor. I'd take him over McD for sure. But someone like a Ben Johnson makes so much sense. Edited January 22 by HomeskillitMoorman Quote
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