So we're firing McD, right?

[Billever76]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

No Brady.  Bring in somone who csn run the WCO. The rest I can live with

The west coast offense is made for pocket passer methodical robot qbs.....allen isn't a wco offense qb..might as well trade him if that's the box we force him into...it's not fair to allen to be handcuffed to an offensive system that basically neuters what makes allen truly elite

[LarryMadman]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

No Brady.  Bring in somone who csn run the WCO. The rest I can live with

Brady has shown to be moldable as i'm totally convinced he called games the exact way McDummie wanted him to, unlike Dorsey and Daboll who McD obviously had tension with and he has been hamstrung by still using Dorseys playbook. Let him install his own offense, let him go and I believe Allen would be even more unstoppable. 

 

This moldability and seemingly easy to work with mentality would seem to be attractive to a new coach, plus Brady is a HC candidate, wouldn't want to lose him and the phenominal job he did at LSU. I excuse his Carolina days as that whole regime was a cluster from the get go. 

[Billever76]

Just now, Avisan said:

Honestly this is just idiocy

 

Dink and dunk against the Cover 2 shell is what sets up the big shots you want to see, and it worked all night

Dink and dunk kills clock and you better make sure your long time consuming drives end in touchdowns...there is such a small room for error in that offense 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, Billever76 said:

The west coast offense is made for pocket passer methodical robot qbs.....allen isn't a wco offense qb..might as well trade him if that's the box we force him into...it's not fair to allen to be handcuffed to an offensive system that basically neuters what makes allen truly elite

Fave, Young, Rogers, Mahomes are all robot pocket passers?  

 

Try again.  Btw...Rogers in the WCO had 10 years of high TD's,MVP awards and a supebowl title while tossing less than 10 ints, every year.

1 minute ago, LarryMadman said:

Brady has shown to be moldable as i'm totally convinced he called games the exact way McDummie wanted him to, unlike Dorsey and Daboll who McD obviously had tension with and he has been hamstrung by still using Dorseys playbook. Let him install his own offense, let him go and I believe Allen would be even more unstoppable. 

 

This moldability and seemingly easy to work with mentality would seem to be attractive to a new coach, plus Brady is a HC candidate, wouldn't want to lose him and the phenominal job he did at LSU. I excuse his Carolina days as that whole regime was a cluster from the get go. 

Brady is a yes man for McDermott,so no.  

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, Billever76 said:

Dink and dunk kills clock and you better make sure your long time consuming drives end in touchdowns...there is such a small room for error in that offense 

There is far less room for error in big play offenses, what amount to variance swings will just wreck you sometimes.

[Billever76]

Just now, Billever76 said:

Dink and dunk kills clock and you better make sure your long time consuming drives end in touchdowns...there is such a small room for error in that offense 

We attempted 3 passes of 20 yards.....most all of our pass schemes were under 10 yards and allot of them were at the los....now that worked in the first half as cook was washing kc...kc made adjustments at half and we didnt!...we continued to run cook into loaded fronts and when we did pass it was close to the los where all the chiefs defense had moved up into.....0 intermediate middle of the field schemes! Don't believe me? Look it up...we ignored the middle of the field in the 15 to 20 yard level ALLLL NIGHT

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would still take that over Klein moving through quicksand all night. You have to admit Klein was by far our weakest point of defense... Maybe Williams misses some reads in the game but at least he can move side to side. Klein can hit his spot 100% of the time and it won't matter as Kelce easily runs right by him.

 

And yes I mentioned Siran Neal covering Kelce before the game too. This is what troubles me - I am just an amateur fan and I knew what our game plan should have been. McDermott didn't figure it out until the 4th quarter when it was too late. We have seen this before. McDermott loses his nerve in the playoffs and goes soft with his defensive game plan, and it costs us. Fans have tried to blame Leslie Frazier. It was McDermott all along. He isn't learning.

 

I don't dispute that Klein was a weakness. He was. I knew he would be. But I know Williams would have been too, for different reasons. But I don't necessarily look at last night and say the gameplan was the big issue on defense. We had a busted coverage from two all pros (we average about 2 of those per season, sucks that one came last night) and other than that the Chiefs just relentlessly attacked our known weakness. They didn't sit all night in soft zone. They mixed in a fair bit of man, even early on, they tried in the 3rd Quarter sending guys (I wasn't a fan of that plan) before they then got to the Siran option. I'd have preferred to go to Siran before the blitzing model.  

 

The defense was bad last night. Could they have done some different things? Sure, they could. But they did try and adjust and I think the main issue was the talent deficiency at linebacker. 

[Billever76]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

There is far less room for error in big play offenses, what amount to variance swings will just wreck you sometimes.

Go trade allen then...draft a pure pocket passer and be happy watching mcd ball for the rest of this decade

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Fave, Young, Rogers, Mahomes are all robot pocket passers?  

 

Try again.  Btw...Rogers in the WCO had 10 years of high TD's,MVP awards and a supebowl title while tossing less than 10 ints, every year.

 

There are two distinct branches of the WCO in the NFL now. There is the Reid branch - which is a heavy shotgun spread variant of the WCO and there is the Shanahan branch - which is primarily an under center WCO off the stretch zone. 

 

The first has a lot more freedom for the QB. The second is much more of a straightjacket offense which really relies on the QB painting by numbers. 

 

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

But they did try and adjust and I think the main issue was the talent deficiency at linebacker. 

 

The adjustments they landed on that ultimately worked are things that should have been in the initial game plan. That's my point.

 

I respect that you understand the details and nuances of the game as well as anybody else on here... But putting all the details aside, aren't you just sick of having this same conversation every year? It is uncanny how the defense melts down every single year in a playoff loss. We can argue over the reasons why but at the end of the day this is a results based business... And the results from our defensive head coach are simply not good enough.

 

8.5 yards per play... There is no excusing that. Not in year 4 of the playoffs under the same coaching staff.

[LarryMadman]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Fave, Young, Rogers, Mahomes are all robot pocket passers?  

 

Try again.  Btw...Rogers in the WCO had 10 years of high TD's,MVP awards and a supebowl title while tossing less than 10 ints, every year.

Brady is a yes man for McDermott,so no.  

Had to be in order to be given the job, McD demands it. 

 

I'm keeping Brady as I like what i've seen and think he has done a pretty good job using Dorseys bad playbook. If he is ever given the chance to do his thing, i' think we would all like it, unfortunatly if McDummie is still coach, Bradys hands would still be tied even with his own playbook.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The adjustments they landed on that ultimately worked are things that should have been in the initial game plan. That's my point.

 

I respect that you understand the details and nuances of the game as well as anybody else on here... But putting all the details aside, aren't you just sick of having this same conversation every year? It is uncanny how the defense melts down every single year in a playoff loss. We can argue over the reasons why but at the end of the day this is a results based business... And the results from our defensive head coach are simply not good enough.

 

8.5 yards per play... There is no excusing that. Not in year 4 of the playoffs under the same coaching staff.

 

I am sick of losing, losing sucks. And if I honestly believed the way to stop the losing was to fire the coaching staff I would be all over firing them. I was all over firing Chan. I was all over firing Rex.... indeed I was the first one driving that bandwagon. I don't think firing this staff is the answer to stopping the losing.

[LarryMadman]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am sick of losing, losing sucks. And if I honestly believed the way to stop the losing was to fire the coaching staff I would be all over firing them. I was all over firing Chan. I was all over firing Rex.... indeed I was the first one driving that bandwagon. I don't think firing this staff is the answer to stopping the losing.

You're not sick of losing, if you were you would not be just satisfied with making the playoffs. You would demand better, you don't and are content with the known and scared of the unknown, kind of how McDummie coaches. 

 

Don't understand how people can't see all of McDummies blunders and think things will change if just given the opportunity, OMG insanity anybody!

Edited January 22 by LarryMadman

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am sick of losing, losing sucks. And if I honestly believed the way to stop the losing was to fire the coaching staff I would be all over firing them. I was all over firing Chan. I was all over firing Rex.... indeed I was the first one driving that bandwagon. I don't think firing this staff is the answer to stopping the losing.

There is no 'this staff' anymore 

 

Everyone except McDermott and beane has been fired or replaced

[T master]

10 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

 

Yeah it's more than just this game or this year.

 

If it was isolated we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

 

So if this is the way it is then Siriani, Peterson, Tomlin (especially) oh and McDaniel all should be fired too with this line of thinking, hell Tomlin should have been fired years ago .

 

Not to mention the likes of Marv, Shula, Marty, and the rest of those POS coaches that came up short more than a few times in their careers and never even made it to the play offs for long periods of their career but all of them are in the HOF . And only 1 of them ever won a SB .

 

So you must have been one of the people when Marv was here that was calling for him to be fired right ? Just asking .

[Aussie Joe]

 

[Logic]

I advocated for it mid-season.

After the way the season ended, there is zero chance it happens. Zero.

So if the question is "do you wish the Bills would fire McDermott?", then okay, fine.

But if the question is "ARE the Bills firing McDermott?", the obvious and unequivocal answer is "No. Not happening".

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am sick of losing, losing sucks. And if I honestly believed the way to stop the losing was to fire the coaching staff I would be all over firing them. I was all over firing Chan. I was all over firing Rex.... indeed I was the first one driving that bandwagon. I don't think firing this staff is the answer to stopping the losing.

Gunner you are literally going to be the last guy on the USS McDermott. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

I advocated for it mid-season.

After the way the season ended, there is zero chance it happens. Zero.

So if the question is "do you wish the Bills would fire McDermott?", then okay, fine.

But if the question is "ARE the Bills firing McDermott?", the obvious and unequivocal answer is "No. Not happening".

So the Bills can rise up and save Sean's job after the Dunne piece, but besides Josh they can't rise up against their hated rival in the playoffs. If Pegula is so blind to not see the obvious, then we as fans better be prepared for more seasons like this. McD is not taking this team to a SB, let alone winning one. And if that's OK for all you "participation trophy" fans then knock yourselves out.

[Billever76]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am sick of losing, losing sucks. And if I honestly believed the way to stop the losing was to fire the coaching staff I would be all over firing them. I was all over firing Chan. I was all over firing Rex.... indeed I was the first one driving that bandwagon. I don't think firing this staff is the answer to stopping the losing.

All the other coaches in the drought years would have us right here with Josh allen...actually I think a few might have had us in the superbowl if they had this roster with this quarterback