So we're firing McD, right?

[BillMafia716ix]

2 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:

Then maybe start Elam?

I think it’s becoming clear that the coaching staff is out on Elam. They have no confidence in him

[PatsFanNH]

8 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

That part isn't on McD.

 

But what about the defence?

 

Only reason there wasn't 40 plus points against his defence was because the bills offence controlled the clock.

 

 

Your defense was in shambles from injuries. Your secondary was like the walking wounded. The only coaching mistake on D was not putting Elam in for an obviously hurt CB. 

[Neo]

8 hours ago, Westside said:

Hahaha……..he’s making the pegulas and the nfl too much money to fire. He’s doing exactly what the nfl wants him to do.

What money is he making for the Pagulas and the NFL, and what does the NFL want him to do, that is different from a hypothetical replacement?

Edited January 22 by Neo

[Donuts and Doritos]

McD coached out of his mind to get that D & team to the #2 seed. At some point the injuries were going to catch up to them that day was Sunday. & They still had a chance to win. He didn't miss kicks, drop passes, miss blocks or throws or tackles. This loss was about the Jimmy's & Joes more than the Xs & Os. He's staying no matter what any of us think or want.

[BillMafia716ix]

6 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Why not use Dorian Williams more than Klien that’s for 1 . Klien is not an NFL caliber LB at this point of his career that decision itself might’ve cost us the game. Why not also use more big Dime defense and have Seron Neal as the extra safety I remember him playing a big role vs KC a few yrs bk on Monday night football vs KC and that game we played KELCE better then we ever had pretty much so yes McD could’ve done more and adjusted better. 

A Rookie LB vs. Mahomes?? He would got eaten alive. Dorian Williams is still a year or two away 

[TheWeatherMan]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Had we lost because of his coaching and/or lack of leadership, I’d say yes. 
 

But I don’t think he is the reason we lost. 
 

That said, if we could upgrade, I’d be all for it. 
 

I don’t see it happening and I also don’t know who is out there that would be an upgrade. 

Gugny, why don’t you think he’s the reason we lost?  He’s a HC the specializes in defense who also doubles down as the DC.  The D looked the worst I’ve seen them in my 35+ years watching them.  Zero creativity, zero answers, zero half time adjustments.  Injuries played a role, no doubt, but it was no excuse for that level of incompetency. 

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

A Rookie LB vs. Mahomes?? He would got eaten alive. Dorian Williams is still a year or two away 

Dorian Williams made the only stop that forced a punt all night. Oddly he did it twice on the same drive but a bull#### flag gave them an extra first down. When Dorian bumped Rice the ball was still in Mahomes hands. 

 

 

Edited January 22 by BananaB

[TheWeatherMan]

26 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

There was nothing Sean McDermott could have done defensively to stop the Chiefs. We were down to our 3rd, 4th and 5th string LB. Rasul Douglass wasn’t himself. They were just too banged up at too many key positions and Mahomes/Reid took advantage of it. 
 

That game had to be won upfront. The defensive line was our best unit all season and they were a total no show

If that’s the case, we need a new HC who can.  He couldn’t do anything to stop the Chiefs in the other two playoff matchups either.  

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

This is what I’ve been yelling about for weeks. Game ending drives when he wants to kill clock BUT we still need to score.

 

1st play: run up the middle into a brick wall.

 

Ok, I guess we’re killing clock and playing for a tie?

 

2nd and 3rd plays: passes, one to the end zone.

 

Ok, so I guess we’re trying to score? Ok, then why did we waste a play running up the middle then?

 

I don’t think McD actually knows what he wants to do in those situations at all.

 

He’s done it continuously over the last month. I think he is totally lost in those moments. His first priority is to kill the clock, but then he can’t seem to decide how and when he wants to score and this game is hard enough by itself. You score any chance you get.

 

Scoring has to Trump clock killing. He’s so arrogant that he thinks Josh can score exactly when he wants him to.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Coach McD deserves plenty of blame. However, he's not the play caller here. Brady made those calls and our criticism is all after the fact. 

 

For me, the worst call was the first down call. It was far too conservative and unlikely to succeed. The Chiefs were committed to stop the first down run. I would have liked the ball in Allen's hands. Perhaps an RPO or Allen rolling out with the option to run or pass. The play to wide open Shakir was a bit unlucky and a great play by the Chiefs defender. It was a sure TD opportunity lost. On that play, you could see live Diggs streaking across the middle open by a decent margin. Romo pointed it out. That was probably the better option there. It was a safer faster pass. I think Diggs would have gotten the first down or come very close. We will never know.

 

What's known is the Bills can't seem to get out of their own way come divisional round play football. They have fallen short year after year with Allen playing brilliantly. They should be winning these games far more than losing them. We often talk about how McD has built a winning culture in Buffalo. From a regular season stand point and a WC playoff game this absolutely rings true. Beyond that, McD has built a reputation of losing, under performing, being out coached, and falling short. He's built a culture of losing in the playoffs. Yesterday, has brought that front and center. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Do I think the Bills should move on from McDermott? Yes I do.

 

Do I have (what I consider to be) valid reasoning behind it? Absolutely.

 

Barring Sean walking away will there be a HC change? Absolutely not.

 

We can all spin our tires in the mud but it doesn't change anything. Right now Pegula seems content with having the (at best) second best team in the AFC. And that's providing you don't believe that Baltimore or Cincinnati with a healthy Burrow hasn't passed us by. We went from a 17 year playoff drought to now a 5 year stretch where we are good in the season and mediocre come playoff time when it counts.

[newcam2012]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

No, hence the “ Josh’s best years are being wasted.”

I would LOVE to be waking up to McD and staff let go and we were onto a mini rebuild ( Which we are regardless)

But, the OP asked a question and I don’t think he will be fired🙁

It's obvious he's not getting fired. That's not even really a debate. 

[billsfan714]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

McDermott’s playoff record against teams seeded 5-7 is 5-0. His playoff record against teams seeded 1-4 is 0-6. I don’t even think he coached a bad game today. I liked that he was aggressive - except for the fake punt which was forgivable if it was because KC only had 10 on the field.

 

At some point you just have to make a change though. I don’t think the Bills will fire McDermott this off-season, but they probably should. I think he gets at least one more year. 

That is a mike drop level stat.

[MWK]

5 years of the same thing happening and yet the excuse brigade is still out for McDermott.

[nucci]

No, we need a new OC and WRs to get our passing game back....also need real NFL LBs

[Watkins101]

9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Yes McDermott made Bass 25% in the playoffs.   Think about that 25% has a kicker ever had a worse playoffs?

 

And still it's McDermott...God people.

Even if Bass makes the kick, the way our defense was playing, we still likely lose.

[Gugny]

35 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Gugny, why don’t you think he’s the reason we lost?  He’s a HC the specializes in defense who also doubles down as the DC.  The D looked the worst I’ve seen them in my 35+ years watching them.  Zero creativity, zero answers, zero half time adjustments.  Injuries played a role, no doubt, but it was no excuse for that level of incompetency. 

I have been in the “fire McDermott” camp since last year’s playoff loss. 
 

Bit the turnaround this team made after falling to 6-6 was nothing short of remarkable. 
 

I am also normally the LAST person to make excuses … especially injuries. 
 

Every team is dealing with injuries in January. 
 

But this team had NO ONE defending the middle of the field against the most prolific QB/pass catcher duo in NFL history. I thought holding them to 27 was admirable. 
 

Like I said, I we could upgrade, I’d be all for it.  
 

I’m still not a McDermott fan. 
 

I simply don’t put this loss on him, that’s all. 
 

[Heavy Kevi]

3 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Why zero reasons given for your contention, beyond the loss of the game?

 

Why, after this game, is this so cemented in your head?

 

Is it because of anything specific to this game, his coaching in it, or more based on previous ideas and your hatred for him in general?

 

 

 

You say, "I have saw enough of the McDermott experience" but don't tell us what it was about this game that added to your ideas--what are they? What 'have you saw' in this game?

 

 

I have no hatred for him.

 

There was nothing standalone in this game that "cemented" this as the right answer...

 

I've simply known since the end of last year it's time for him to go

 

I was a year behind then, now 2 years behind.

 

I also knew middle of this year it reeaaalllly time. I said multiple times the only way to save it was to "pull a Coughlin" and win it all. But he did not.

 

He is wasting Josh' talents. Josh is the best chance we'll probably EVER have at a SB and we can't keep smashing our heads against the wall with McD

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Question for Terry Pegula to think about: Why are the Bills 3-1 against the Chiefs in the regular season but 0-3 in the postseason? Sitting available right here right now is Jim Harbaugh. You can do it if you want to.

[Kirby Jackson]

I’ve been consistent in my thoughts on McDermott. It was Super Bowl or someone else needs to be leading this team. 

[Heavy Kevi]

7 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Question for Terry Pegula to think about: Why are the Bills 3-1 against the Chiefs in the regular season but 0-3 in the postseason? Sitting available right here right now is Jim Harbaugh. You can do it if you want to.

 

And Harbaugh would take this job in an instant

 

The coaches available this offseason (Belichick, Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, Slowik) are too good to keep McD around, and we have what would be the most attractive HC opening in years.