newcam2012 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Negan said: Shoulda, woulda, coulda... See ya next year guys. Hoping we draft multiple WR's early and often next year. April 25th draft night! Can you draft a coach? Quote
Warcodered Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, cgg716 said: People are assuming WAY too many things if they want the Diggs route to have been the throw People are desperate for a different outcome so they're attaching themselves to a different open WR when really no sane person would say Josh chose wrong. Really think about it, if he had chosen that even if we got the first maybe things play out no TD kick the FG, we miss it Josh is killed for not throwing that TD that was open, we make the FG closer but there's time and Mahomes gets in range and they take the lead with a FG and we lose Josh is killed for not throwing that TD, same thing with the FG but we go to OT things play out however they do and we don't win and Josh is killed for not throwing that TD. There is no winning scenario there unless we win that's all this is. 1 3 2 Quote
paulmm3 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Two days later, Tyler Bass, Sherfield, and Diggs still my least valuable players Quote
Heels20X6 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This, all offseason. Thanks McDermott. I saw the segment, oddly enough, Skip was 100% pro-Allen. Basically said that he played a perfect game and his team let him down. The other two yahoos on the panel just ball-washed Mahomes. Quote
newcam2012 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 25 minutes ago, dakrider said: It's the Bills that are overrated. Every team in the league has at least a couple great players other teams would covet. But the Bills are simply also-rans. Get to the playoffs, win a wild card round game and then go home. That's great if your this years Green Bay Packers or Houston Texans doing it. But doing it 3 years in a row just shows what a fringe team the Bills are. Whenever this team improves in one area, such as the running game this year, they fall back in another, such as the receiving corps under-performing. We've seen Kansas City rise, also seen Cincinnati rise and get to SB, and Baltimore rising this year. The Bills are just stagnant. This team hasn't grown, they haven't really tapped into their playoff experience and they just don't seem to want it as much as other teams. Home run here. That's exactly why I'm advocating for change. There has been no progression with the team for three years. In fact, it may have gotten worse. That's debatable but it clearly hasn't gotten better. Your analogy is spot on. I'm not thrilled with running it back with McD again. He's had ample opportunity to make advanced only to come up short time after time after time. Last Sunday was a great example of that. I get that the Bills defense was decimented. That was a factor in the game. No doubt there. However, the offense was very healthy and they had their chances. Frankly, they blew their chances. Sure the KC D is very good but championship teams score under those conditions; especially with an Allen and at home. To fall short again is pretty demoralizing and frustrating. I just don't see how McD leads this team to greener pastures. His message of complimentary football is getting very old. I just wonder what level of confidence players have in him? Of course, publicly they will say all the right things but privately is a whole nother issue. Run it back and see Bills Mafia. Quote
newcam2012 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Warcodered said: People are desperate for a different outcome so they're attaching themselves to a different open WR when really no sane person would say Josh chose wrong. Really think about it, if he had chosen that even if we got the first maybe things play out no TD kick the FG, we miss it Josh is killed for not throwing that TD that was open, we make the FG closer but there's time and Mahomes gets in range and they take the lead with a FG and we lose Josh is killed for not throwing that TD, same thing with the FG but we go to OT things play out however they do and we don't win and Josh is killed for not throwing that TD. There is no winning scenario there unless we win that's all this is. Well said. Really like the last sentence here. Here's my thought process on it. The Bills are at home playing another huge playoff game. They have a elite QB with experienced playoff coaches and players. Minus Davis the offense is healthy as can be. Under these circumstances, this Bills offense has to get it done! Should have got it done! Winners and championship teams get it done!!! We've seen the Patriots get it done time after time. Add Mahomes to the list. We can analyze it til we are blue in the face. The opportunities were there. Players and coaches failed to execute. The defending champs know how to win. The Bills frankly don't. That in a nutshell speaks volumes about this team and coaches. Is there really a winning culture that McD has built? I suspect next year the Buffalos, Chiefs, Bengals , Ravens, etc will be there again. Nothing in my mind suggests the Bills with their vast playoff experience, elite QB, and coaching staff will get over the hump. They've proven they can't. Until they can the criticism is 100% warranted. Edited January 23 by newcam2012 Quote
Success Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This, all offseason. Thanks McDermott. And here it is. The reason I tuned out after Sunday, and will remain tuned out on football coverage until September. The sports media is TERRIBLE. I can't even ask "are they overrated," because everyone rates them as TERRIBLE. Clowns, hacks & hot-take artists. Fools, all. 1 1 1 Quote
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: No Skip, Allen is not overrated. 58 yards in the air and right on the hands. A huge moment in the game. Goddamn how do you drop that. Ridiculous. 2 Quote
Logic Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Home run here. That's exactly why I'm advocating for change. There has been no progression with the team for three years. In fact, it may have gotten worse. That's debatable but it clearly hasn't gotten better. The "progression" of a football team is not always linear. It's often more like a roller coaster, with peaks and valleys. Take the Ravens. They're this year's number one seed and may well make the Super Bowl. Lamar was drafted the same year as Josh Allen. In 2019, they went 14-2 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2020, they went 11-5 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2021, they went 8-9 and missed the playoffs. In 2022, they went 10-7 and lost in the Wild Card round. This year, they went 13-4 and are in the AFC Championship Game. How about Peyton Manning's Colts? Once they started making the playoffs, they lost in the: Divisional round Wild Card - missed playoffs - Wild Card AFCCG Divisional round Divisional ...before finally winning the Super Bowl. The progression of a football team is not always linear. I would say that's the exception rather than the rule, actually. If your thesis is "The Bills should move on from McDermott", then fine. I espoused that very idea midseason. I can't blame you for feeling that way. But if the thesis is "there should be a linear progression to a team's ascent to a championship", I disagree entirely. That rarely happens. Edited January 23 by Logic 8 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted January 23 Posted January 23 This board, since about 11:00 on Sunday night, has been one big example of confirmation bias and absolute dichotomous thinking. 1 Quote
Logic Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Low Positive said: This board, since about 11:00 on Sunday night, has been one big example of confirmation bias and absolute dichotomous thinking. It's not likely to be much fun around here until about the week before free agency. Between now and then, though? Quote
stevewin Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Success said: And here it is. The reason I tuned out after Sunday, and will remain tuned out on football coverage until September. The sports media is TERRIBLE. I can't even ask "are they overrated," because everyone rates them as TERRIBLE. Clowns, hacks & hot-take artists. Fools, all. I've avoided all sports coverage since the game, and walked into a room this am that had a tv my wife had left on that had espn Get Up on The subject was - was the loss Josh Allens fault. Out of morbid curiosity I watched for a couple minutes and the horrible takes were enough for me to turn it right off. I won't be watching any sports coverage until hopefully Baltimore beats KC 1 Quote
Success Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Most in the media thought Allen was a big-armed bust when he was drafted. Everything since is their lame attempt to justify their original prediction. Allen can play a game like Sunday, where he carried the team and should have left that field w/ even more points if Diggs makes a catch and Bass makes a FG - but the narrative since Sunday is almost exclusively, "But that throw! That throw to the EZ when he had Diggs underneath! Hero ball!" Meanwhile, Mahomes misses 2 guys who were wide open in the endzone, and has a defense that actually made stops. But it's all "Mahomes magic - again!" for him. Complete double-standard. Even when Allen wins it all, they'll probably just compare him to Flacco or Gannon....that one "lucky" run. Quote
newcam2012 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Logic said: The "progression" of a football team is not always linear. It's often more like a roller coaster, with peaks and valleys. Take the Ravens. They're this year's number one seed and may well make the Super Bowl. Lamar was drafted the same year as Josh Allen. In 2019, they went 14-2 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2020, they went 11-5 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2021, they went 8-9 and missed the playoffs. In 2022, they went 10-7 and lost in the Wild Card round. This year, they went 13-4 and are in the AFC Championship Game. How about Peyton Manning's Colts? Once they started making the playoffs, they lost in the: Divisional round Wild Card - missed playoffs - Wild Card AFCCG Divisional round Divisional ...before finally winning the Super Bowl. The progression of a football team is not always linear. I would say that's the exception rather than the rule, actually. If your thesis is "The Bills should move on from McDermott", then fine. I espoused that very idea midseason. I can't blame you for feeling that way. But if the thesis is "there should be a linear progression to a team's ascent to a championship", I disagree entirely. That rarely happens. I get that. Point taken. At the same time, players and fans shouldn't be satisfied with continued lack of progression. Especially, with an elite QB. This is exactly the situation the Bills have been in for years under McD. Similarly, the Cowboy and Steeler fan is upset over the same lack of progression in the playoffs. The exception there is neither has a QB of the caliber of Buffalo. In theory, you are correct with regards to linear progression. In practicality, I think it's fair for a fan base to think linearly. I mean it's human nature. How many were just happy with making the playoffs? Looking forward to Allen's progression ? The young Buffalo team getting better? So on and so forth... Fast forward to today and ask yourself are you satisfied with three straight divisional playoff losses? Two of them were in their own building to add injury to insult. I'm not here arguing with you. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I likely think we are in agreement here. 44 minutes ago, Low Positive said: This board, since about 11:00 on Sunday night, has been one big example of confirmation bias and absolute dichotomous thinking. Winning solves everything. 40 minutes ago, Logic said: It's not likely to be much fun around here until about the week before free agency. Between now and then, though? I think it's fair to say much of the fan base is frustrated. Many reasons for optimism and pessimism. After a huge playoff loss I think it's reasonable that negativity outshines positivity. Quote
stevewin Posted January 23 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Logic said: The "progression" of a football team is not always linear. It's often more like a roller coaster, with peaks and valleys. Take the Ravens. They're this year's number one seed and may well make the Super Bowl. Lamar was drafted the same year as Josh Allen. In 2019, they went 14-2 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2020, they went 11-5 and lost in the Divisional round. In 2021, they went 8-9 and missed the playoffs. In 2022, they went 10-7 and lost in the Wild Card round. This year, they went 13-4 and are in the AFC Championship Game. How about Peyton Manning's Colts? Once they started making the playoffs, they lost in the: Divisional round Wild Card - missed playoffs - Wild Card AFCCG Divisional round Divisional ...before finally winning the Super Bowl. The progression of a football team is not always linear. I would say that's the exception rather than the rule, actually. If your thesis is "The Bills should move on from McDermott", then fine. I espoused that very idea midseason. I can't blame you for feeling that way. But if the thesis is "there should be a linear progression to a team's ascent to a championship", I disagree entirely. That rarely happens. Similar is the "blow it up crowd" after we came within a couple minutes of making the afccg with scrubs and wounded playing LB and in the secondary. What you need first is to make the tournament. Then have the pieces in place to compete, and usually have some luck as well. The 'tear it down' crowd is insane to me. We have the QB (the most important piece) and foundation across other positions. Sure there are holes that will need to be filled, but that is true for every team - every year. 2 1 Quote
Warcodered Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, stevewin said: Similar is the "blow it up crowd" after we came within a couple minutes of making the afccg with scrubs and wounded playing LB and in the secondary. What you need first is to make the tournament. Then have the pieces in place to compete, and usually have some luck as well. The 'tear it down' crowd is insane to me. We have the QB (the most important piece) and foundation across other positions. Sure there are holes that will need to be filled, but that is true for every team - every year. Honestly yeah, as much as all this hurts, back against the wall at 6-6 McDermott, Allen, and Brady took the team on a hell of a run to make it to that point under 2 minutes with a shot to get into the AFC Championship game. I don't particularly want to throw away what they've got going for them in terms of leading the team and finding a way to win no matter which way it is. Quote
akcash Posted January 23 Posted January 23 16 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: how does one drive home after that? I was at the Cleveland Monday night game where Lindell missed wide right and it was humbling. I can’t imagine it being the last game of the season and just walking away from that. I’ll tell you what it was tough. Traffic was bad. I was at the Cinci game last year too. Both were punches in the guts on different levels. I still have to watch the game back but… Go Lions I guess. Hope Baltimore destroys them then Lions destroy Baltimore or whoever is in it from NFC. Quote
Logic Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, stevewin said: What you need first is to make the tournament. Then have the pieces in place to compete, and usually have some luck as well. Well said. This sums up the way the Bills season ended in very simple terms. This season, based on the defensive injuries sustained, the lack of WR depth, and the instability at offensive coordinator, the Bills had what it took to meet condition one (make the tournament). They did not have what it took to meet condition two (have the pieces in place to compete), and also did not particularly benefit from the final factor you mentioned: luck (see Diggs drop and Sherfield drops, which also play back into "not having the pieces in place to compete"). It's as simple as that. Seeing as though the Bills seem to have coach and QB in place that will allow them to continue to make the tournament on a regular basis, what we need now is for the GM to give them the pieces to compete once there (additional offensive weaponry, better depth), and for some luck to break our way for once. One of those things is within the Bills' control, and that's what this offseason will be about. 1 Quote
stevewin Posted January 23 Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Well said. This sums up the way the Bills season ended in very simple terms. This season, based on the defensive injuries sustained, the lack of WR depth, and the instability at offensive coordinator, the Bills had what it took to meet condition one (make the tournament). They did not have what it took to meet condition two (have the pieces in place to compete), and also did not particularly benefit from the final factor you mentioned: luck (see Diggs drop and Sherfield drops, which also play back into "not having the pieces in place to compete"). It's as simple as that. Seeing as though the Bills seem to have coach and QB in place that will allow them to continue to make the tournament on a regular basis, what we need now is for the GM to give them the pieces to compete once there (additional offensive weaponry, better depth), and for some luck to break our way for once. One of those things is within the Bills' control, and that's what this offseason will be about. And you could also consider "not having the pieces to compete" due to injury bad luck. Notable because the roster at LB and secondary was sound before the injuries. There is not a team in the league that would have had the depth to overcome them and not lose a step 1 1 Quote
Logic Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, stevewin said: And you could also consider "not having the pieces to compete" due to injury bad luck. Notable because the roster at LB and secondary was sound before the injuries. There is not a team in the league that would have had the depth to overcome them and not lose a step Right. And going into matchups against Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson with either a Klein/Dodsen or Dodsen/one-legged Bernard duo at linebacker and expecting victory is just asking an awful lot. For that matter, going into matchups against the numbers 2 and 1 scoring defenses in the league with Trent Sherfield at WR2 and expecting victory is asking for an awful lot, too. As much as it hurt in the moment to lose that game on Sunday, if one stands aside and looks at the team and the season with a reasoned, unbiased eye, one sees a team that lacked the horses to compete in the "second season", and very nearly overcame those deficiencies to make the AFCCG anyway. Time to get to work, Beane. 1 Quote
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