Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Allen carries this team all the time. All the time.

 

He gets a couple of mulligans.

 

think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans?

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots)

 

If thats you feelings,  what would you do about it? Trade him, Cut him? Tell him to play better?

[UKBillFan]

15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots)

 

 

You still haven't answered my question in another thread about who you'd like to replace him with, and how the Bills can do it.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Only want that to happen under a VERY limited set of circumstances that includes acquiring chicago's firsts this year and next.

 

Other than that, no.

 

Wow you're serious.  I was being tongue & cheek.  But hey thanks for the honesty.  IF the Bills swapped Allen to Chicago for this years first and next years first I would bet you my house that the Bears would win a Super Bowl before the Bills.  Allen would elevate the Bears into the playoffs his first year there spoiling that 2nd 1st round pick we got. 

 

BTW I watch a lot of college football and this years QB crop is good with a lot of POTENTIAL but the idea that any of them would replicate what Allen has ACHIEVED is far fetched.  Remember Lawrence was a can't miss #1 QB to.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

If thats you feelings,  what would you do about it? Trade him, Cut him? Tell him to play better?

I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago.

 

Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry.

 

[Wraith]

Just now, Bob Jones said:

The counterpoint here is that JA and a couple other QBs in the league (Stroud is one) do not have to "step into" their throws all the time (within reason/obviously can't arm only throw a 60 yarder) to make a good throw. So bottom line is that you're making an excuse for JA.

Allen does not really step into throws. He rotates his upper body in a violent snapping motion to generate all that power. A lot of modern QBs are taught this way. The blow from Jones/Dawkins was unfortunately timed and placed to hit Allen so he couldn't finish the snap.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Wow you're serious.  I was being tongue & cheek.  But hey thanks for the honesty.  IF the Bills swapped Allen to Chicago for this years first and next years first I would bet you my house that the Bears would win a Super Bowl before the Bills.  Allen would elevate the Bears into the playoffs his first year there spoiling that 2nd 1st round pick we got. 

 

BTW I watch a lot of college football and this years QB crop is good with a lot of POTENTIAL but the idea that any of them would replicate what Allen has ACHIEVED is far fetched.  Remember Lawrence was a can't miss #1 QB to.

 

 

 

Not "first." FirstS. This year's, next year's included. All of them.

 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans?

 

 

I'm not sure what that means.

 

Both guys get WAY more help from the rest of their teams.  It really boggles my mind how anyone can blame Allen for anything.  He has carried this team on his back since he got here.

 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans?

 

😂😂Foh w burrow

Bengals haven't won dick

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

You still haven't answered my question in another thread about who you'd like to replace him with, and how the Bills can do it.

 

Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago.

 

Just now, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Foh w burrow

Bengals haven't won dick

 

Bengals have actually won an AFC CG

 

But please do carry on.

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago.

 

Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry.

 

So to solve the problem , you would get rid of the strength of the team in the hopes of getting the number 1 QB in football instead of the number 2. I think there are much easier and better ways. Your analysis and problem solving skills are questionable at best in my opinion.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago.

 

 

Bengals have actually won an AFC CG

 

But please do carry on.

 

 

Saw you post on here after I asked. I doubt any franchise will give what the Bills would ask for for Josh, so they'll have to run him back and see what happens.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

The counterpoint here is that JA and a couple other QBs in the league (Stroud is one) do not have to "step into" their throws all the time (within reason/obviously can't arm only throw a 60 yarder) to make a good throw. So bottom line is that you're making an excuse for JA.

So another poster who expects perfect throws on every play.  I can state with complete certainty that when their offensive tackles are being pushed into their legs and they can't step into their throws even the best NFL QB's, including Stroud, will often miss that throw.  BTW wasn't that throw over 40 yards?  And for the record Allen has made that throw many times, probably more then any other QB in the NFL.  But he's not going to make it every time.

 

And for the record I was explaining why Allen wasn't able to make that throw which was the right read.  If you want to call that an excuse have at it.

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Saw you post on here after I asked. I doubt any franchise will give what the Bills would ask for for Josh, so they'll have to run him back and see what happens.

What an awful thing, running it back with Josh Allen.

[CNYfan]

2 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

Diggs is trash. Sherfield is trash. Bass is trash.

My mistake.  I disagree with this sentiment

[UKBillFan]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

What an awful thing, running it back with Josh Allen.

 

I know. It's a disaster. I don't know how they could have made such a mess of the QB position...

 

(Why am I worried someone might take the above seriously?)

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

If it doesn't make sense then I don't know what to tell ya, also why do you assume they bleed the clock for a FG? You take what the D gives you and multiple times there were WRs crossing wide open that would easily gotten 1st down to keep the drive going.

Not sure we are talking about the same play. There was 2 times in particular I recall that a WR was open crossing that would have been a 1st down and Josh didn't take it

You are talking about the same play…the play where diggs was open for a short gainer Shakir was absolutely wide open for a td 😂. Which is why I’m telling you the throw to diggs there didn’t make a lot of sense with how well the chiefs defense responded in that second half 

 

the throw to shakir was probably even easier than the throw to diggs tbh…there was no defender to effect the throw 

 

Edited January 22 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[stevewin]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I know. It's a disaster. I don't know how they could have made such a mess of the QB position...

 

(Why am I worried someone might take the above seriously?)

I was wondering when the clown show posts about getting rid of Josh would start.  We are gifted with literally one of the best QBs to maybe ever play the position and some people want to get rid of him.  There aren't words to express how idiotic it is

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago.

 

Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry.

 

So what good is resetting the CAP clock if your "can't miss" rookie QB is a miss?  I mean just over the last 20 years or so we've had the following high draft pick QB's completely bust or never live up to their POTENTIAL:  Mayfield, Tua, Vick, Winston, Murray, Bradford, Lynch, Rosen, Wilson, Darnold, Russel, David Carr & Trey Lance.  And I'm sure I missed a few.  Hell, even the can't miss Trevor Lawrence has been underwhelming.  

 

Again if the Bills made the trade you're suggesting, and thankfully they're not that dumb, the Bears would be a better team then Buffalo the very first season Allen was there.  And over the next 5 years while the Bills new CAP friendly "can't miss" QB struggled the Bears would be lugging a SB trophy down the Magnificent Mile.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago.

 

 

Bengals have actually won an AFC CG

 

But please do carry on.

 

If losing a superbowl was an achievement people cared about the bills franchise would be viewed a lot more favorably 😂.