Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread

[GaryPinC]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

The only positive takeaway from the season is that our draft was very good and we got some really important contributors out of it.  If Shorter can have a Shakir like rise, watch out. Beane is still a top tier GM and it shows. 

 

I do feel like this is the ceiling for McDermott. Nothing's going to happen because of the run the Bills went on to win the AFC East. So I've just got to make peace with the fact that our HC is holding the team back. 

 

Eric Washington is somebody who should be on a hot seat but can't seem to do anything but fail up.  The D-Line was healthy and disappears again, despite an insane level of investment. 

Part of the whole rotation philosophy is I wonder if it disempowers our playmakers to some extent, psychologically.  And the D-line looked tired the last half of the fourth quarter anyways.

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Next year is a rebuild year. The only way we get the #1 seed is if McDermott can get decent defensive results with less talent, and we hit on a rookie WR.

 

The goal should be making the playoffs, possibly winning the division and see what happens after that.

There should be no talk of winning a SB. 

 

Yes the goal of this team should be try to make the playoffs. It's a reasonable goal. Anything after that would be gravy. The expectations are too high for this team. 

[Bruffalo]

4 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

D-line looked tired the last half of the fourth quarter anyway

They had no reason to be.  The Bills offense was doing exactly what McDermott has been preaching all season, long sustained drives that mostly ended in points. 

 

The defense was letting Mahomes score in 6 plays with an absurd 10-plus yard per play. 

 

McDermott's philosophy is ancient and part of the problem. 

[Seventeen]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

There should be no talk of winning a SB. 

 

Yes the goal of this team should be try to make the playoffs. It's a reasonable goal. Anything after that would be gravy. The expectations are too high for this team. 

 

Sure thing ... I'll bet that's what Reid says to his team every year in training camp. 

[UKBillFan]

13 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Next year is a rebuild year. The only way we get the #1 seed is if McDermott can get decent defensive results with less talent, and we hit on a rookie WR.

 

The goal should be making the playoffs, possibly winning the division and see what happens after that.

No different from every other year under McDermott with an, on paper, stronger roster.

[ngbills]

KC adjusted on D in the second half enough to stop two Bills drives. That was the difference. 

Bills D never adjusted to KC O. We were lucky the Bills O was able to sustain long drives or KC puts up like 50. 

That was the ballgame. 

[sonyab1974]

10 hours ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

I almost won the SB as the Bills on Madden but as it was getting near the end of the 4th quarter, my computer inexplicably caught on fire.  

 

Thank you! I needed that.

[finn]

The skewed narratives have already begun. NFL.com says Allen was "far from perfect" in the game and "misfired several times downfield" when the game was on the line. The writer emphasizes his longest completion was 15 yards and implies it was his fault. No mention of the receiver drops, the choke play of Diggs, the fact that he played his heart out, leading the team in rushing, patiently taking what the defense gave him, hitting clutch pass after clutch pass, and driving the Bills into field goal range to tie the game.

 

All we're going to hear this offseason is how Allen can't win the big one, that he's a turnover machine, and the Chiefs own him. Going to be a long time until September. 

[Wayne Arnold]

27 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Next year is a rebuild year. The only way we get the #1 seed is if McDermott can get decent defensive results with less talent, and we hit on a rookie WR.

 

The goal should be making the playoffs, possibly winning the division and see what happens after that.

 

You just described 2023.

[78thealltimegreat]

4 minutes ago, finn said:

The skewed narratives have already begun. NFL.com says Allen was "far from perfect" in the game and "misfired several times downfield" when the game was on the line. The writer emphasizes his longest completion was 15 yards and implies it was his fault. No mention of the receiver drops, the choke play of Diggs, the fact that he played his heart out, leading the team in rushing, patiently taking what the defense gave him, hitting clutch pass after clutch pass, and driving the Bills into field goal range to tie the game.

 

All we're going to hear this offseason is how Allen can't win the big one, that he's a turnover machine, and the Chiefs own him. Going to be a long time until September. 

The guy who wrote that article is a former patriots beat writer draw your own conclusions 

[BuffaloBillyG]

What a difference a year makes.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What a difference a year makes.

Wonder if Josh will be low key bad mouthing him throughout the off season?
 

Think we all know the answer.

[DapperCam]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You just described 2023.

I disagree, we rebuilt the o-line, added a bunch of role players on offense, people were optimistic about Diggs and Davis. There was optimism Tre White and Von Miller would return to form. A lot of people felt we were improved “on paper” before this season.

 

The reality we are now facing is Diggs is possibly washed, Davis is gone, I don’t think anybody is confident White or Miller will ever return to form (or even will be on the roster next season). We don’t have the cap to pick up the same kinds of role players on offense. Our safeties were already old and are now a year older (they might not be on the roster next year, Hyde is a FA and Poyer is a liability).

 

 

Next year the marketing will be “youth movement”, but we definitely won’t be considered better on paper.

[Shortchaz]

Imagine if 6 years from now the Texans still haven’t won a divisional round playoff game 

[UKBillFan]

10 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I disagree, we rebuilt the o-line, added a bunch of role players on offense, people were optimistic about Diggs and Davis. There was optimism Tre White and Von Miller would return to form. A lot of people felt we were improved “on paper” before this season.

 

The reality we are now facing is Diggs is possibly washed, Davis is gone, I don’t think anybody is confident White or Miller will ever return to form (or even will be on the roster next season). We don’t have the cap to pick up the same kinds of role players on offense. Our safeties were already old and are now a year older (they might not be on the roster next year, Hyde is a FA and Poyer is a liability).

 

 

Next year the marketing will be “youth movement”, but we definitely won’t be considered better on paper.

One thing different is an optimistic way is, despite the 2&9 question mark, I think most of us will be going into the off season feeling more confident in Josh. It’s never nice to end the season on a bad performance and, other than the arguable final two throws, he certainly didn’t do that, which is different from 2023 (albeit the whole team stunk the place out against the Bengals).

[SaulGoodman]

29 minutes ago, finn said:

The skewed narratives have already begun. NFL.com says Allen was "far from perfect" in the game and "misfired several times downfield" when the game was on the line. The writer emphasizes his longest completion was 15 yards and implies it was his fault. No mention of the receiver drops, the choke play of Diggs, the fact that he played his heart out, leading the team in rushing, patiently taking what the defense gave him, hitting clutch pass after clutch pass, and driving the Bills into field goal range to tie the game.

 

All we're going to hear this offseason is how Allen can't win the big one, that he's a turnover machine, and the Chiefs own him. Going to be a long time until September. 

Outside of last year’s Bengals game (weather played a part), and McD’s coaching decisions at the end of the 13 seconds game, the Bills have nothing to be ashamed of. They’re right there every year. Might have a SB appearance or win already if they were in the NFC. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah I get it, but I don't know why you'd bother saying that right now, it's like hey at least we lose well.

 

I mean you know what happens next right, the Chiefs return to normal next week dropping passes playing like ***** and get the doors blown off them by the Ravens, just like with the Bengals after 13 seconds, just so we can think why'd they even bother winning.

 

 Nobody wants to acknowledge the shape the Bills were in. Oh sure, people go "yeah I know but..." But they don't care. They expect this team to roll everyone because we have Josh Allen. But it's a team game and sadly the rest of the team couldn't step up, due to injury, the yips, whatever. 

[boyst]

talking to eball maybe i can put my words a little more and be just another screaming at the wind here. but we have lost many games this year for the following reasons:

bad coaching

defense can't hold

offense can't finish

special teams let down

 

last night all 4 happened and if just one of them were to have been different we could/should have won.

 

to me it goes back to coaching.

 

[Success]

Allen's detractors (the people who thought he'd be a bust when he was drafted) are really seizing on his decision to go to Shakir at the end as more proof that he blows it & can't win big games.

 

This, to me, is insane.  First, it wasn't a bad decision at all. Shakir was wide open.  It wasn't "hero ball."  Beyond that, he carried the team the whole game.

 

Who else made a big play in that game?  Shakir & Kincaid had nice plays & catches - but no one on D really made a play, outside of the goal-line fumble.  No sacks, no INT's, blown coverages.  That was Allen's game from start to finish.  To point out one decision he made as some sort of "proof" of anything is holding him to a ridiculous standard.

 

[Heels20X6]

43 minutes ago, finn said:

The skewed narratives have already begun. NFL.com says Allen was "far from perfect" in the game and "misfired several times downfield" when the game was on the line. The writer emphasizes his longest completion was 15 yards and implies it was his fault. No mention of the receiver drops, the choke play of Diggs, the fact that he played his heart out, leading the team in rushing, patiently taking what the defense gave him, hitting clutch pass after clutch pass, and driving the Bills into field goal range to tie the game.

 

All we're going to hear this offseason is how Allen can't win the big one, that he's a turnover machine, and the Chiefs own him. Going to be a long time until September. 

 

It's borderline pathetic at this point how many people in the media have it out for him.  His biggest crime being that he wasn't the bust they declared he would be when he was selected.   It would be one thing if Josh was spouting QANON theories on a buddy's podcast, acting like a diva, etc.  but he's genuinely a decent human being.  And they HATE him for that.

 

He played his heart out.  Could things have gone better at the very end?  Sure.  But he put the team in a position for a VERY makeable field goal to tie things up and once again, the team let him down.