Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread

[ngbills]

Special teams - missed fg

lack of wr - no passing game

lack of lb - Kelce running free

 

No surprises 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

In all fariness, there are not a lot of teams recently that can point to their D being the difference in playoff games with the way the NFL is designed these days.  It favors the offense pretty heavily. See the Chiefs - Eagles Super Bowl last year.

True but then many of those teams select offensive minded coaches and focus the lions share of their franchises resources on the offense.  It doesn't always work out because no matter how smart the offensive minded coach is or how much they send on the O if they don't have the QB there are limits to how far they can go.  But the Bills have the QB and IMO are now wasting his best years.

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

But it was a “mash” unit bro. 

 

I mean that is true.  The Chiefs continuously took advantage of the Bills weaknesses in the middle of the defense and there wasn't much the Bills could do to stop them.  The Bills did a better job slowing down Kelce in the 2nd half and then the Chiefs just started running the ball on them.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

This is exactly how Miami feels every year playing us in games that matter—basically since the Kelly days! Here’s hoping we can break the cycle, unlike the Fins…

[Big Turk]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I know. Same story every year. One injury and the defense falls apart to the tune of forcing one punt… can’t be a scheme or coaching issue though? 

 

One injury?  Half the defense was out and the guys who were playing obviously were not anywhere close to 100%, especially Douglas who I thought had by far his worst game as a Bill and should have been benched for Elam in the 2nd half. 

 

Moreover the injuries kept being at the same position so 4th and 5th string players were being called upon, which is a recipe for disaster against a good team and coaching staff.

[Comebackkid]

also what was the point of bringing up isabella from the practice squad?

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I know. Same story every year. One injury and the defense falls apart to the tune of forcing one punt… can’t be a scheme or coaching issue though? 

 

What "scheme" are you going to come up with that doesn't allow Klein to be abused in the middle of the defense?  You can only polish a turd so much...it still smells like a turd tho when you get close enough to it.  The man was on the couch ready to head to Key West in an RV with his family last week, came back on Wednesday before the Steelers game and was pressed into duty for most of the 2nd half of that game and all of this game...then he rolled his ankle late in the first half to boot, so his already limited athleticism took another hit.

Edited January 22 by Big Turk

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Cold fact that the Bills are the only home team to lose this weekend.  Tear down and rebuilding is needed.

I mean, this season was weird, and we could've missed the playoffs entirely.

But at the start of the season we were in our normal mode for the last few seasons - we play the entire regular season schedule to try to secure home field. And then we get it and it doesn't matter.

[chongli]

 

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

McD stuck w Klien waaaaaaaay toooooooooo looooooong.  Soon as Siran came in Kelce had no impact.  Sad to say but better team on the field won.  Bills D was decimated.  Not McD's fault.....Diggs was WIDE open twice.......who knows what happened there??  I HATE to say it but Von actually looked good the few plays he was in....

I was shocked to see that Klein was the dime backer and Dodson came off the field, this was after the unathletic Klein turned his ankle. Just piss poor personnel management. I would’ve rather had the team go with Elam and Dorian in place of Klein and Douglas. Two healthy players that can run. Bills defense was overmatched athletically all night. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

might as well throw my 2 cents in.

thought Brady did well in the first half but what started out as a good mix of throws and runs 

became a one dimensional run game.   then after the half when the chiefs were starting to shut it down i 

felt he got off his game plan.   we started taking low percentage shots and bad run calls up the gut with the

entire chiefs D there. 

the long pass to sherfield....either he had to run faster or the ball needs to be a bit shorter.  the chances of running full out and 

then pretty much have to be extended fulll out and not having the ground take it away is pretty slim.  

the deep ball to diggs, looks like he miss judged it but that was trying to track a 65 -70 yard throw at full speed with the Defender in your hip pocket.

 

the bills needed more plays between safe and 10% chance of completion.   

 

who ever thought having a washed up guy off the couch defending kelse wasnt very smart.   

 

The D was decimated and it showed.   backups can only do so much and it wasnt enough.  

 

If the Bills are every going to win a championship...they are going to have to plan smarter...draft smarter and play smarter.  

 

Idk how to feel about Brady but he dialed up the deep shots and they were there…nobody made a play 

[Success]

Man - being a Bills fan isn't for weaklings.

 

Our losses are brutal. Always.  And then we get ridicule from the rest of the league, all the time.

 

It's never easy.

 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Is it injuries, and bad luck, and just brilliant coaching on the other side that causes our defense to get annihilated every playoff ending game? 
 

You can keep believing that. I’m good. 

 

Not sure what to tell you.  Defenses don't make much of a difference in most playoff games these days unless a team is clearly overmatched like the Texans were yesterday.  The biggest difference they make is with a timely sack or takeaway now, but rarely are you seeing teams shut other teams down. Chiefs - Eagles Super Bowl is a prime example.  Neither team stopped the other all game for the most part.  Just a play here or a play there that made the difference.

 

If you think the 86 Bears defense is coming back and making a difference nowadays in the playoffs, I am sorry to burst your bubble. It's an offensive league, and you basically are just relying on your D to make a play here or there now against quality teams in the playoffs.

Edited January 22 by Big Turk

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… which is why there is literally no reason for McD to be here while the team bangs its head against the wall stacking defensive personnel year after year. 

 

They drafted Offense mostly this year.  This team would likely have been giving up 25-28 points a game under a different DC with the personnel they had the 2nd half of the season.  I think McD did a pretty remarkable job on D with what he had to work with the 2nd half of the year.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

In all fariness, there are not a lot of teams recently that can point to their D being the difference in playoff games with the way the NFL is designed these days.  It favors the offense pretty heavily. See the Chiefs - Eagles Super Bowl last year.

 

How can you distinguish "the Bills offense didn't do enough" from "the Chiefs defense made the difference"?

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs offense scored 27 against an injury plagued Bills defense which was solid before injury.

Allen and the Bills offense scored 24 against a mostly healthy (but less so after injuries in game) Chiefs D that was ranked like #2 in some stats.

 

I don't see that you can easily say which one "made the difference". If our defense was healthier, maybe the Chiefs only score 20 or 23.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

How can you distinguish "the Bills offense didn't do enough" from "the Chiefs defense made the difference"?

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs offense scored 27 against an injury plagued Bills defense which was solid before injury.

Allen and the Bills offense scored 24 against a mostly healthy (but less so after injuries in game) Chiefs D that was ranked like #2 in some stats.

 

I don't see that you can easily say which one "made the difference". If our defense was healthier, maybe the Chiefs only score 20 or 23.

 

If Allen's shoulder doesn't get hit by Dawkins being driven back into him while he was throwing it would have been 31.  But yeah...the margins are incredibly small in these games and the Bills were always up against it not only due to the crazy number of injuries on D but also the extra 2 days the Chiefs had to rest. I mean sure there were some plays the Chiefs likely don't make if the Bills had Bernard in there...but at the end of the day all you can do is play the hand you are dealt in a game.

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The bottom line is there is a reason that the Kansas City Chiefs are Super Bowl champions and the Buffalo Bills are contenders but not championship level

good enough. Bills fans have to get it out of their heads that the Buffalo weather is going to get the Bills anywhere the Chiefs just beat us in our home stadium with the wind and the Buffalo weather because they are champions that is what champions do. Champions don’t need to rely on weather and tricks they just go out and beat you regardless of the adversity that you face during the season. Because the bottom line the Super Bowl isn’t hosted in Buffalo. The Bills flat out aren’t good enough compared to the Chiefs. Congratulations to the Kansas City Chiefs and for my Bills maybe next year in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Too many fans were underestimating KC before the game. There were people thinking the Bills might blow them out. KC just has the Bills number in the playoffs. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why are we obsessed with TOP and yet the Chiefs don’t give a ***** when they score? 
 

The McDermott effect. 

 

Because when you are giving up 9 yards a play midway thru the 4th quarter, the fewer plays the other team has the better.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why are we obsessed with TOP and yet the Chiefs don’t give a ***** when they score? 
 

The McDermott effect. 

That's a product of how our offense was functioning, we were running well and they were taking away any kind of deep passing game, so we slowly marched down the field and scored. So we took up a ton of time when we had the ball, they on the other hand did not.

[chongli]