Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread

[Simon]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:38 AM, TheFunPolice said:

 

Yes, grind the clock. Treat it like you're up and trying to salt the game away.

 

If you give it back you lose. Obviously once you run out of downs you might have to kick the FG but depending on the distance I would go for it on 4th down. 

 

Best chance of a win was scoring a TD there with under a minute on the clock and no timeouts for KC 

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Yeah I though they got a little too aggressive coming out of the 2:00 warning.

It's better than turtling, but they could have managed it better while still staying proactive.

[Boatdrinks]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:33 AM, Simon said:

 

I think if he doesn't get bumped during the release he hits that post perfectly and they take the lead.

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Yeah, that appears true. Probably just showing my frustration with that final sequence. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:26 AM, sven233 said:

I see a lot of complaining about the TD shot on 3rd down.  I for one, have no problem with it as it was called.  The route was there and the play was there to be made but late pressure forced the ball to come up a little short.  But, make no mistake about it, that was the right read in that situation.  It was a TD if he had that extra half second.  Sure, Diggs was open, but if the shot is there for the TD, you pull the trigger. 

 

Now, I get the argument in the grand scheme of things.  Does that play need to be called in the first place or is there a better play that maybe would have given more options that would have gotten the first down to burn some more clock?  Sure.....I get that argument.  And if you want to blame someone on that play, blame Brady for calling it.  But it was called and Allen made the correct read.  It was there and was a split second away from connecting.  If you call that play, and it's there to be made, you try to make it and take the lead.  I know it's Mahomes and I know we hadn't stopped them the entire game, but this is professional football.  Score, take the lead, and then find a way to keep them out of the end zone.  Just find a way. 

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Absolutely correct read…getting in that end zone was gonna be very tough sledding... that’s as easy a pitch and catch as possible if Dawkins holds up a split second longer and was ultimately the difference in the game.  Can’t even fathom people saying different 

 

there’s a very good chance we ultimately get held to a fg there even checking down to diggs and everyone would be all over not attempting that td throw 

Edited January 22, 2024 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Simon]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:40 AM, Boatdrinks said:

Yeah, that appears true. Probably just showing my frustration with that final sequence. 

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That was frustrating moment #247 on the night I think. 

[TheFunPolice]

Watching Baltimore crush the Chiefs will be enjoyable at least. 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:26 AM, Boatdrinks said:

Love Josh, but I’m not sure what we were trying to do on that last possession. We had them where we wanted , time running down and not much they could do about it. The play sequence at that point was strange. Allen should have been running and forced KC to think about burning time outs. Josh missed a wide open Shakir in the middle of the EZ. He came up short when it mattered most. This one stings - a lot . 

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How many plays were run on that last drive BEFORE the final two passes?  FOURTEEN!  In the Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives they ran 14, 11, 12, 15 & 16 plays. It's amazing that the Bills didn't have a TO or a couple of big penalties or a sack.  In total the Bills ran 78 plays to the Chiefs 47.

 

And it was 2nd & 9 not 1st and 10 so we had to be more aggressive if we were trying to score a TD and not a FG there. And for the record Allen could not step into that throw because the left tackle was pushed into him as he let it lose.

 

We should have used more play action throws on 1st down but of course the offense was working diligently on protecting McD's Defense.  On the one play action pass in the 4th quarter Allen threw a great deep ball that Diggs dropped. 

 

Again Allen plays out of his mind yet we think if we could just squeeze a little bit more magic out of the guy we can win games like this. IMO that is insane and condemns the Bills to making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

 

[Jerry Jabber]

If the Chiefs make it to the Superbowl this year, I’m not watching it.

[UKBillFan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:49 AM, CincyBillsFan said:

How many plays were run on that last drive BEFORE the final two passes?  FOURTEEN!  In the Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives they ran 14, 11, 12, 15 & 16 plays. It's amazing that the Bills didn't have a TO or a couple of big penalties or a sack.  In total the Bills ran 78 plays to the Chiefs 47.

 

And it was 2nd & 9 not 1st and 10 so we had to be more aggressive if we were trying to score a TD and not a FG there. And for the record Allen could not step into that throw because the left tackle was pushed into him as he let it lose.

 

We should have used more play action throws on 1st down but of course the offense was working diligently on protecting McD's Defense.  On the one play action pass in the 4th quarter Allen threw a great deep ball that Diggs dropped. 

 

Again Allen plays out of his mind yet we think if we could just squeeze a little bit more magic out of the guy we can win games like this. IMO that is insane and condemns the Bills to making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

 

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Think it’s fair to say Josh could improve his reads (he’d be unquestionably #1 QB if he did) AND desperately needs more help. 

[Boatdrinks]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:49 AM, Jerry Jabber said:

If the Chiefs make it to the Superbowl this year, I’m not watching it.

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Agree. I watched about a half dozen plays of last years. Just no real interest in watching that team. 

[Roundybout]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:26 AM, Boatdrinks said:

Love Josh, but I’m not sure what we were trying to do on that last possession. We had them where we wanted , time running down and not much they could do about it. The play sequence at that point was strange. Allen should have been running and forced KC to think about burning time outs. Josh missed a wide open Shakir in the middle of the EZ. He came up short when it mattered most. This one stings - a lot . 

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He got hit as he threw it.

[Artful Dodger]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:40 AM, chongli said:

 

 

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As far as heartbreaking Bills' losses, this wasn't even in the top 10.  

 

[BeastMaster]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:49 AM, CincyBillsFan said:

How many plays were run on that last drive BEFORE the final two passes?  FOURTEEN!  In the Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives they ran 14, 11, 12, 15 & 16 plays. It's amazing that the Bills didn't have a TO or a couple of big penalties or a sack.  In total the Bills ran 78 plays to the Chiefs 47.

 

And it was 2nd & 9 not 1st and 10 so we had to be more aggressive if we were trying to score a TD and not a FG there. And for the record Allen could not step into that throw because the left tackle was pushed into him as he let it lose.

 

We should have used more play action throws on 1st down but of course the offense was working diligently on protecting McD's Defense.  On the one play action pass in the 4th quarter Allen threw a great deep ball that Diggs dropped. 

 

Again Allen plays out of his mind yet we think if we could just squeeze a little bit more magic out of the guy we can win games like this. IMO that is insane and condemns the Bills to making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

 

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Asking Josh to play a perfect game is an unfair expectation that he still comes close to achieving, and probably does if Dawkins holds up for another half second.

 

Instead of criticizing Josh, McDermott needs to be held accountable for his defense folding like origami in the playoffs against these top tier teams with franchise quarterbacks every single playoffs

[UKBillFan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:52 AM, Boatdrinks said:

Agree. I watched about a half dozen plays of last years. Just no real interest in watching that team. 

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In truth I want the 49ers to win now (sorry, Lions, but if the Bills can’t get over the line…) but feel either the Ravens or Chiefs will run over them.

 

Yeuch.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:51 AM, UKBillFan said:

Think it’s fair to say Josh could improve his reads (he’d be unquestionably #1 QB if he did) AND desperately needs more help. 

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Might be true overall but he was near flawless reads wise in this game imo…I think people are taking what romo said before he even diagnosed the full play a little too seriously lol just because diggs was open for a pitch and catch doesn’t mean shakir wasn’t open for a pitch and catch td 

[Warcodered]

 

[cale]

I was biting my tongue till the end of the season. But this drama began in the off season with Diggs/Dorsey/McD with “great communication.” I love Diggs. But if you’re gonna be a diva, step up and make the plays. As it is we’re bending over backwards to get him the ball. When Kincaid and even Shakir have been more productive per attempt.

 

Our Von-Ted D line didn’t show up in the passing game tonight. The rest of our D are total ballers. Injuries caught up to us.

 

Regardless, we have a total stud at QB. This team goes as he goes. I hope he gets a ring before it’s all over. And Buffalo of course.

[Boatdrinks]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:53 AM, ScottLaw said:

Yea… they tried to shorten the game and keep Mahomes off the field… Just incredible how easy the Chiefs offense moved the ball scoring in 6-7 play drives.

 

The team badly needs a new vision.

Agreed. Saw this coming all week.

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Have to agree on the Chiefs offense vs Bills D. I know we had a lot of injuries, but they pretty much scored at will. Maybe we forced one punt? A great play at the goal line with the FF, but that was about it as far as defense was concerned. This wasn’t even a high powered version of the Chiefs and they moved the ball at will. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:53 AM, BeastMaster said:

Asking Josh to play a perfect game is an unfair expectation that he still comes close to achieving, and probably does if Dawkins holds up for another half second.

 

Instead of criticizing Josh, McDermott needs to be held accountable for his defense folding like origami in the playoffs against these top tier teams with franchise quarterbacks every single playoffs

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Man not even a half second…like a fraction of a second is all he needed.  Still almost got that throw there 

[TheFunPolice]

The thing about the defensive injuries is that you got pretty much the same game out of the guys that played today as the last 2 KC playoff losses. The defense wasn't noticeably worse.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 1/22/2024 at 4:53 AM, BeastMaster said:

Asking Josh to play a perfect game is an unfair expectation that he still comes close to achieving, and probably does if Dawkins holds up for another half second.

 

Instead of criticizing Josh, McDermott needs to be held accountable for his defense folding like origami in the playoffs against these top tier teams with franchise quarterbacks every single playoffs

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In the Allen playoff years which is 10 playoff games, McD's Defense played well ONCE. In every other game it played bad the whole game or at key moments that either lost us the game (Houston) or nearly lost the game (Indy - remember the Bills had a 24 - 10 4th quarter lead and almost lost). 

 

Given that McD is a defensive coach and Bean has fashioned D heavy roster this is unacceptable.  The Bills are wasting the prime years of Allen's career.  If they don't see it you have to wonder if that organization is worth our hard earned money and time.