Doc Posted August 28 Posted August 28 45 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: This topic was "off limits" during the J6 Committee hearings. The issue here is requests for additional support for the Capitol Police on duty that day were continuously denied. The theory is the goal was to let the protests get violent and out of control to create an incident rather than get the proper amount of security to the Capitol. The National Guard was finally deployed well after the riots were over. So the task is to clearly identify the chain of command and put names to each box on the chart. Then question the person who's name is on each box in the chain of command for approving requests and get them to admit under oath which one of them provided the denial of additional support to the police on duty that day. Did it get to Pelosi or was it denied at a lower level? It should be easy to determine by anyone interested in finding out the truth. The problem with the government official assigned the job of finding the truth is they're not interested in finding out the truth if it results in consequences for any of the involved government officials and personnel. So they obstruct, misinformation, deny and avoid the truth at all costs. I think they wanted something to happen outside the Capitol, so they could say "look, it's like the Summer of 2020!" But all it takes is for one idiot to do something like break a window and enter and then people start to follow. 37 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: The mob got violent after CHP illegally launched flash bang grenades into a crowd that was simply milling around. Rubber bullets too. Who gave the authorization to deploy flash bang grenades? Good question and another one we'll probably never know. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 28 Posted August 28 (edited) 39 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Ray Epps! Go on, keep telling people not to believe their eyes. It was a mostly peaceful riot. There are some details missing from the accounting of the events of the day. We've gotten a very thorough investigation and analysis regarding the behavior and actions of the protesters from the J6 committee. What they glossed over and provided bits and pieces of is an accounting of the preparation, actions, and decisions made by various government officials before that day and during the day. Such as @BillsFanNC asked. Who gave the orders to fire flash grenades and rubber bullets into the crowd prior to any trouble and what was the assessment of the situation that led them to that decision? Why did some Capitol Police open the doors and "invite" protesters into the building while other units were engaged in scuffles and altercations? I could go on. We know all about what the "bad guys" did but little to nothing about what the "good guys" did. I always like the saying "There's three sides to every story. Your, mine, and the truth". Edited August 28 by All_Pro_Bills 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 28 Author Posted August 28 5 minutes ago, Doc said: I think they wanted something to happen outside the Capitol, so they could say "look, it's like the Summer of 2020!" But all it takes is for one idiot to do something like break a window and enter and then people start to follow. Well just who was breaking some of the windows remains a question. Can't seem to find this guy, the pipe bomber or the gallows builders. Weird. And failing breaking windows to gain access you could always have someone open 20,000 lb magnetic doors from inside the building.
BillsFanNC Posted August 28 Author Posted August 28 Finding doing its best Kamala.... That guy who said on video that "we're here to storm the capitol" and then stormed the capitol by being among the very first to cross the restricted area at the capitol? Leave THAT insurrectionist alone!
Scraps Posted August 28 Posted August 28 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: The mob got violent after CHP illegally launched flash bang grenades into a crowd that was simply milling around. Rubber bullets too. Who gave the authorization to deploy flash bang grenades? Blame the victim. So good to see you standing up for law enforcement. 1 1
B-Man Posted September 20 Posted September 20 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: oh. If a Sergeant was told to secure a water shed with a squad and didn’t he’d be charged. But a 4 Star General securing the entire Capitol… Why does he get away with refusing to follow orders? And then lying about it for years? https://x.com/JHartley2/status/1837146462452437393 1
BillsFanNC Posted September 20 Author Posted September 20 The worst "insurrection" in world history. The guy trying to overthrow the government requested 10k troops and was ignored by subordinates. That same guy who wanted everything made safe on J6 with a large NG presence also directly asked his supporters exercising their constitutional rights to do so peacefully and patriotically. It's almost like he wanted none of what happened to happen if you actually pay attention to what he did and said.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 20 Posted September 20 54 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: The worst "insurrection" in world history. The guy trying to overthrow the government requested 10k troops and was ignored by subordinates. That same guy who wanted everything made safe on J6 with a large NG presence also directly asked his supporters exercising their constitutional rights to do so peacefully and patriotically. It's almost like he wanted none of what happened to happen if you actually pay attention to what he did and said. Trump is a master at plausible deniability. Can’t tell if you actually buy his shite or just pretend. Pretending would be more treasonous
Scraps Posted September 20 Posted September 20 29 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: The letter from Mayor Bowser does not deny National Guard or other assistance. It asks that anything that is deployed is coordinated through the Metropolitan Police Department. Having a unified command structure is a pretty basic request. 1
phypon Posted September 20 Posted September 20 17 minutes ago, Scraps said: The letter from Mayor Bowser does not deny National Guard or other assistance. It asks that anything that is deployed is coordinated through the Metropolitan Police Department. Having a unified command structure is a pretty basic request. No, that's not what it says. Trump made a request for NG. That REQUEST was denied by the Mayor. Specifically, in the last paragraph. Not only did the Mayor say "not requesting other law enforcement personnel", but also "discourages" any deployment without notification or consultation (which then could be directly denied). Stop ignoring facts to fit your narrative. Wake up. 1 1
Scraps Posted September 20 Posted September 20 (edited) 18 minutes ago, phypon said: No, that's not what it says. Trump made a request for NG. That REQUEST was denied by the Mayor. Specifically, in the last paragraph. Not only did the Mayor say "not requesting other law enforcement personnel", but also "discourages" any deployment without notification or consultation (which then could be directly denied). Stop ignoring facts to fit your narrative. Wake up. It discourages any deployment without notification or consultation. Without knowing about the deployment, a blue on blue incident is more likely to occur. Hence everything should be coordinated through MPD. Edited September 20 by Scraps 1
BillsFanNC Posted September 20 Author Posted September 20 POTUS cannot unilaterally deploy the NG. Been over this dozens of times. Pay ***** attention the next time there's a natural disaster and the local authorities REQUEST that the federal government/POTUS call up the NG. Trump gave pre-authorization. Local authorities at the Capitol and DC mayor declined to make the official request. Why do you suppose that they did that? 1
phypon Posted September 20 Posted September 20 1 minute ago, Scraps said: It discourages any deployment without notification or consultation. Without knowing about the deployment, a blue on blue incident is more likely to occur. Hence everything should be coordinated through MPD. There is no "hence". There was specifically no request. 1
Scraps Posted September 20 Posted September 20 2 minutes ago, phypon said: There is no "hence". There was specifically no request. The request is in the second paragraph.
phypon Posted September 20 Posted September 20 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: The request is in the second paragraph. The second paragraph consists of two sentences. The first sentence specifically says that there is no request by DC for personnel from any other agencies.
Scraps Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Just now, phypon said: The second paragraph consists of two sentences. The first sentence specifically says that there is no request by DC for personnel from any other agencies. And the second sentence? Why did you ignore that? You keep ignoring the parts that ask for responses to be coordinated through the MPD.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 20 Posted September 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Scraps said: And the second sentence? Why did you ignore that? You keep ignoring the parts that ask for responses to be coordinated through the MPD. forget it. the idiots twist themselves into pretzels defending all the jan 6 traitors. the letter is clearly about avoiding friendly fire among the various law enforcement groups who might be present. they actively choose not to acknowledge that and even use it as a defense for the low life scumbags (including trump) who perpetrated it. Edited September 20 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 1
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