daz28 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: It is an invasion- run by the cartels, and aided by the administration 👍 Oh, the drug "war". That must be the war that the writers meant in Article 1 of the Constitution. Words have meaning, and they matter. You also can't parse parts of the same clause, "or engage in War, unless actually invaded". I love how they even used the word, "actually". It's almost like they saw the Constitution thrashing GQP coming hundreds of years in advance, 1
ChiGoose Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Ok, since it’s obvious that the GOP doesn’t want to solve the border crisis and they admit that they won’t do it for political reasons, yet so many here seem to believe both that the Dems want the border crisis and that the issue hurts them: What is the alleged Dem theory of the case here? Get more immigrants in so that people like Dems less?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: This country was founded by "insurrectionists." When a govt becomes too powerful history shows that you sometimes need to knock them down a notch. You are acting like the sissy guy in the Hamilton play saying noooo guys behave! Pray that we don't get to the point that real insurrection takes place. There are a lot of frustrated and angry people that are tired of getting crapped on with this nonsense. we know. we are preparing. soooooo maybe the word "insurrectionist" isn't overused and meaningless.
JaCrispy Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, ChiGoose said: Ok, since it’s obvious that the GOP doesn’t want to solve the border crisis and they admit that they won’t do it for political reasons, yet so many here seem to believe both that the Dems want the border crisis and that the issue hurts them: What is the alleged Dem theory of the case here? Get more immigrants in so that people like Dems less? GOP is not needed for feds to simply enforce the law…Trump had no problem enforcing the border…👍
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Ok, since it’s obvious that the GOP doesn’t want to solve the border crisis and they admit that they won’t do it for political reasons, yet so many here seem to believe both that the Dems want the border crisis and that the issue hurts them: What is the alleged Dem theory of the case here? Get more immigrants in so that people like Dems less? yes, that's what they think. Also some like rice crispy think all immigrants have been granted asylum status. It's tough to argue with people who think the world is flat....
daz28 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Doc said: The only reason anyone calls J6 a "mostly peaceful protest" is to clown those who used that phrase to describe the far more destructive riots during the Summer of 2020. And ask the "sanctuary cities" who are now crying because they can't support all the illegals being sent there whether it's an invasion. Are those same people "clowning" us with, "hostages" now? It's not an invasion by the writing/meaning of the Constitution. They make it clear that the clause is about an actual war. In fact they literally said, "engage in war" right before invasion. 1
US Egg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 15 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: You throw around that word like how liberals throw around racism. Yes everybody's a racist insurrectionist apparently. It loses it's meaning after a while …..and the N word. …..no, not that one.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, US Egg said: …..and the N word. …..no, not that one. Anybody watched this on Netflix? mesmerizing
US Egg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Anybody watched this on Netflix? mesmerizing Didn’t do justice to the book.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, US Egg said: Didn’t do justice to the book. yeah, my bookclub refuses to read. just bourbon, bullshite and cigars...
Doc Posted January 25 Posted January 25 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Ok, since it’s obvious that the GOP doesn’t want to solve the border crisis and they admit that they won’t do it for political reasons, yet so many here seem to believe both that the Dems want the border crisis and that the issue hurts them: What is the alleged Dem theory of the case here? Get more immigrants in so that people like Dems less? More Dem voters. What is your theory? More people to do menial jobs? 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: Are those same people "clowning" us with, "hostages" now? It's not an invasion by the writing/meaning of the Constitution. They make it clear that the clause is about an actual war. In fact they literally said, "engage in war" right before invasion. I can't speak to whom the "hostages" refer. As I've been saying, J6 was an embarrassment and never should have happened and certain people deserved to be charged, but it wasn't an "insurrection," planned or otherwise and people who did nothing other than enter into open doors at the Capitol shouldn't be punished.
L Ron Burgundy Posted January 25 Posted January 25 17 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: This country was founded by "insurrectionists." When a govt becomes too powerful history shows that you sometimes need to knock them down a notch. You are acting like the sissy guy in the Hamilton play saying noooo guys behave! Pray that we don't get to the point that real insurrection takes place. There are a lot of frustrated and angry people that are tired of getting crapped on with this nonsense. Yeah we saw your best and brightest during insurrection 1.0. Led by a 1 eyed man who, of course, shot his own eye out. 1 1
US Egg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yeah, my bookclub refuses to read. just bourbon, bullshite and cigars... So, more of a ‘Barbie’ fan?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 25 minutes ago, daz28 said: Oh, the drug "war". That must be the war that the writers meant in Article 1 of the Constitution. Words have meaning, and they matter. You also can't parse parts of the same clause, "or engage in War, unless actually invaded". I love how they even used the word, "actually". It's almost like they saw the Constitution thrashing GQP coming hundreds of years in advance, the good guys will win 3 minutes ago, US Egg said: So, more of a ‘Barbie’ fan? That was an awful movie. My wife loved it tho so.....it was ok. Date night and all. Also all the pink outfits in the theater were fun. Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
ChiGoose Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Doc said: More Dem voters. What is your theory? More people to do menial jobs? “Let’s do something that makes us very unpopular because a generation or two from now, we could have some more voters” -The brilliant Dem immigration plan, apparently I think that the border crisis cannot be solved except for by Congress. Simply militarizing the border will be insufficient because not only would it require an insane amount of resources, many immigrants cross into the US legally and then overstay their welcome. So even if the border was super secure with a bit scary fence and people shooting anyone who gets close to it, you’re still going to have a sizable problem. You need a comprehensive solution that actually gets to the root causes of the issues in addition to more security. But the Dems can’t do that without the GOP who repeatedly admit that they don’t want to solve it. You can do patchwork attempts to mitigate but without Congress taking action, you’re not going to be able to handle the numbers we are currently seeing. 1 1
daz28 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I can't speak to whom the "hostages" refer. As I've been saying, J6 was an embarrassment and never should have happened and certain people deserved to be charged, but it wasn't an "insurrection," planned or otherwise and people who did nothing other than enter into open doors at the Capitol shouldn't be punished. You're glossing over the whole fake elector coup d'etat part, but anyways back to the topic. Is the southern border the "invasion" the writers of the Constitution intended? If so, then Texas is in imminent danger of "war", right? 1
US Egg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: That was an awful movie. My wife loved it tho so.....it was ok. Dare say, it amused me, I chuckled at the male stereotypes. Didn’t get the “controversy” after watching it. But, anyways, back to business…..
daz28 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: “Let’s do something that makes us very unpopular because a generation or two from now, we could have some more voters” -The brilliant Dem immigration plan, apparently I think that the border crisis cannot be solved except for by Congress. Simply militarizing the border will be insufficient because not only would it require an insane amount of resources, many immigrants cross into the US legally and then overstay their welcome. So even if the border was super secure with a bit scary fence and people shooting anyone who gets close to it, you’re still going to have a sizable problem. You need a comprehensive solution that actually gets to the root causes of the issues in addition to more security. But the Dems can’t do that without the GOP who repeatedly admit that they don’t want to solve it. You can do patchwork attempts to mitigate but without Congress taking action, you’re not going to be able to handle the numbers we are currently seeing. You gotta love when the Fox/GQP narrative doesn't even make any sense, but that doesn't stop them from parroting it anyhow. The whole things is a giant complex mess, that both sides are using as politics. It's disgusting, because it's human beings, that are their pawns. Ted Cruz is literally grandstanding on raped children, but I think both sides know he's a putrid person. What good are new laws going to do if they aren't enforced or funded properly? This is really just a big American political joke. 2
Doc Posted January 25 Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: “Let’s do something that makes us very unpopular because a generation or two from now, we could have some more voters” -The brilliant Dem immigration plan, apparently I think that the border crisis cannot be solved except for by Congress. Simply militarizing the border will be insufficient because not only would it require an insane amount of resources, many immigrants cross into the US legally and then overstay their welcome. So even if the border was super secure with a bit scary fence and people shooting anyone who gets close to it, you’re still going to have a sizable problem. You need a comprehensive solution that actually gets to the root causes of the issues in addition to more security. But the Dems can’t do that without the GOP who repeatedly admit that they don’t want to solve it. You can do patchwork attempts to mitigate but without Congress taking action, you’re not going to be able to handle the numbers we are currently seeing. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." And would you say that securing the border would cost more than, say, $150B annually?
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