BillStime Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Does anyone actually believe it’s the Democrats who want border security? Their actions of fighting Republican proposals AND tying the border to aid in Ukraine speaks contrary to a “fix the border” message. Couldn’t they simply decide to have a separate border deal and put some hard line proposals out there? Republicans would pass it immediately and then the problem is solved. Democrats could even take the credit and that would be a great political move considering how highly immigration ranks on voters minds. They could take the spear right out of the republican party’s hands. Democrats aren’t the ones tying border funding with Ukraine aide - Republicans are - lmao.
LeviF Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Arrest Mayorkas and charge him. Maybe the next one will learn something. Other than that there’s nothing to be done because the DHS can simply ignore all the “deals” that get made like they ignore their mandate now. PS regardless of the above most Republicans are just dudes in red states who desperately want the coastal approval that comes from the D next to their name but can’t because they wouldn’t get elected. So they resent their electorate which results in the kinds of “deals” like we just saw.
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Does anyone actually believe it’s the Democrats who want border security? Their actions of fighting Republican proposals AND tying the border to aid in Ukraine speaks contrary to a “fix the border” message. Couldn’t they simply decide to have a separate border deal and put some hard line proposals out there? Republicans would pass it immediately and then the problem is solved. Democrats could even take the credit and that would be a great political move considering how highly immigration ranks on voters minds. They could take the spear right out of the republican party’s hands. I think Democrats recognize that it’s a problem which it is Especially because they say so 1
BillStime Posted January 25 Posted January 25 56 minutes ago, LeviF said: Arrest Mayorkas and charge him. MAGA freak
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeviF said: PS regardless of the above most Republicans are just dudes in red states who desperately want the coastal approval that comes from the D next to their name but can’t because they wouldn’t get elected. So they resent their electorate which results in the kinds of “deals” like we just saw. If that were true, Kinzinger and Cheney would already be D's. There are still some principled politicians.... Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
LeviF Posted January 25 Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: If that were true, Kinzinger and Cheney would already be D's. There are still some principled politicians.... Except they make an assload of money being “principled” republicans and hating their former constituents publicly.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: Except they make an assload of money being “principled” republicans and hating their former constituents publicly. I don't think they hate their constituents , just the scumbags who turned on them in their own party to protect themselves. trump has them by the balls and they're too wimpy to fight back. Tim Scott is an embarrassment. btw, I don't think the Cheney's are hurting for money. Kinzinger strikes me as a regular guy. Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I don't think they hate their constituents , just the scumbags who turned on them in their own party to protect themselves. trump has them by the balls and they're too wimpy to fight back. Tim Scott is an embarrassment. btw, I don't think the Cheney's are hurting for money. Kinzinger strikes me as a regular guy. It’s all about power not necessarily money
PetermansRedemption Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Democrats aren’t the ones tying border funding with Ukraine aide - Republicans are - lmao. Source? The Republicans brought HR 2 across the house. What was the Democrats stand alone bill in the senate? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: It’s all about power not necessarily money To many, they are the same. Not to these two imo. Good for them. I disagree with just about every Liz Cheney stance but I respect the hell out of her.
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: Source? The Republicans brought HR 2 across the house. What was the Democrats stand alone bill in the senate? You don’t know that Ukraine has been tied to border security Have you been living under a rock?
PetermansRedemption Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: You don’t know that Ukraine has been tied to border security Have you been living under a rock? I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. because that's how compromise works. give a little, take a little... Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
LeviF Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. Edited January 25 by LeviF 1
ChiGoose Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Are there actually people out there who are so self-deluded that they actually believe that the GOP wants to solve the border crisis? It defies all evidence, logic, root cause analysis, and understanding of political science, so it’s hard for me to believe that there are rubes who actually buy that. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, LeviF said: Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. cuz that's how it gets done. u want it or not?
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. I am sorry that I misunderstood that you were trying to say I agree that these things should not be tied together 38 minutes ago, LeviF said: Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. Because they’re not being attacked I promise you, the Alamo will still be there in the morning
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Posted January 25 2 hours ago, US Egg said: Joe knows Joe. The man had common sense with that take. But done lost it with his current actions.
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