Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Airseven said: Most of these comparisons and records rely on his rushing. The rushing proves he’s an elite athlete. We know he’s an elite athlete. But I don’t think the rushing distinguishes him as an elite QB…or better than Mahomes. It’s a growing trend to compare Allen’s rushing TD’s to others passing TD’s and while I understand a TD is a TD it’s not that way with how defenses respect the position. I hope he defines his legacy starting Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Excited for Allen to win so he can shut up the Chiefs narrative. “Realists” never admit they were wrong. They just go silent and move on to the next negative narrative. “Never won a road playoff game.” ”Never made the Super Bowl.” ”Never won a Super Bowl.” Let’s kill every last narrative in the next 4 weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 With Allen, when the team wins it’s so easy feeling to say we’ve got the best QB in the NFL, and the numbers glaringly prove it. The Bills have also won games where he had vanilla off week numbers. But the thing is he can also reflect bad Bills games with his turnovers. The December/January numbers and Bills winning ratio may just be that Allen gets his turnovers out of his system during the play-around season, and buckles down taking care of the ball, picking his spots, and letting things develop as the defensives stretch themselves thin trying to cover a 5000 yd2 football field, ground and air, in the play-off season (which has included December must win games a couple years). This is it, my friends. Last year, the whole organization was shot by the time of the Bengals game. Two years ago, robbed by 13 seconds. The year before that, Allen and the Bills were newbies in the AFCCG. It can all be easily explained. The game this weekend, and beyond, Allen and the Bills must put all the great late season stuff since 2020 on the nail and hammer this thing home. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 21 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Excited for Allen to win so he can shut up the Chiefs narrative. “Realists” never admit they were wrong. They just go silent and move on to the next negative narrative. “Never won a road playoff game.” ”Never made the Super Bowl.” ”Never won a Super Bowl.” Let’s kill every last narrative in the next 4 weeks. This is a huge game in Allen vs mahomes lore lol has mahomes ever lost to the same opponent three times in a row? I’m gonna assume no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisWatson#21 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/18/2024 at 11:04 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: That seems unreal given how Mahomes has played deeper into the playoffs each year, but there it is! We do indeed have something special cooking at QB… Mahomes is severely over rated by the media. Nearly lost SB’s vs career backup Jimmy G, one read RPO Boy and the one time he saw a real QB in a SB he got ran off the field. In fact it was the easiest of lay ups for TB12 in his seven championships. It is what it is he does have the rings but I attribute that success to his team and coaches not because he carried them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 14 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said: Not sure how anyone can poo poo this comment. I guess winning isn’t important? It’s all about the stat sheet? Enjoy the stats guys. Because it’s a team game? How many collective championships do Dan Marino and Jimbo have in their resume. Meanwhile, there are plenty of scrub QB’s with championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mikie2times said: It’s a growing trend to compare Allen’s rushing TD’s to others passing TD’s and while I understand a TD is a TD it’s not that way with how defenses respect the position. I hope he defines his legacy starting Sunday. ? You don't think defenses respect Allen's running? 18 hours ago, Mikie2times said: His QB rating in the Houston game and Bengals game was under 70. The offense did nothing in the AFC championship vs KC and his rating was under 80. He did not help Buffalo in those losses. In the Houston game specifically he was great. He singlehandedly willed the offense down the field while his WR2 was literally a CFL receiver. I guess everyone's lasting memory of that game is his goofy lateral to Knox. Watch it again some time if you can. He was excellent, creating something out of nothing a dozen times with by far the worst offensive supporting cast of the playoff teams that year. I came out of that game knowing we had a superstar QB, once he had a real team around him. Edited January 20 by HappyDays 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: Because it’s a team game? How many collective championships do Dan Marino and Jimbo have in their resume. Meanwhile, there are plenty of scrub QB’s with championships. The “team game/blame the defense or coach” stuff is perspective. One could also say Allen didn’t do enough in the first half of :13 to help the team win. Keep in mind the standard boasted around here is that Allen is a generational player, best QB in the game, and future HOFer. His team needs to appear on the big stage for any of that to ring true. No one debates he’s a consensus top 5/franchise QB and fantastic fit in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/18/2024 at 8:24 PM, Airseven said: Fun stats. But he’s got one AFC championship game appearance on his resume. As you say, he needs to win not just compile more rushing TDs. Why don’t you just tell everyone which team you’re really a fan of already. It’s obvious it ain’t the Bills as you only approve of negative commentary and mock anything that shows any positivity on any subject related to the Bills or any player. Your schtick is played out man. You need better hobbies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: ? You don't think defenses respect Allen's running? In the Houston game specifically he was great. He singlehandedly willed the offense down the field while his WR2 was literally a CFL receiver. I guess everyone's lasting memory of that game is his goofy lateral to Knox. Watch it again some time if you can. He was excellent, creating something out of nothing a dozen times with by far the worst offensive supporting cast of the playoff teams that year. I came out of that game knowing we had a superstar QB, once he had a real team around him. I'm sure having to care for the run game at QB stretches the defense in uncomfortable ways but in my opinion the main power of a QB is to stretch the defense vertically by throwing the ball. I just don't view rushing touchdowns at QB in the same way as passing touchdowns. Which is fine if you want to debate that, I just don't see Allens value in the running game literally being double this year which his running TD's would indicate nor do I see the value of those TD's near on the level of passing TD's which most people on this forum now prescribe to. I also feel the offense has failed us in 3 of our 4 postseason losses. We can say the 2019 team didn't have talent or Allen hasn't had the tools or that the defense failed us which it most certainly did, but nobody uses qualifiers as time progresses. It's only a luxury afforded to die hard fans like yourself. Some die hard in Cuba is talking about how Marino really is the greatest of all time and Shula just never surrounded him with the right players. Meanwhile it's not even a conversation outside that group. Same thing with Josh. Nobody is debating who the best QB in December and January is that doesn't belong to this forum. It's not even being asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Mikie2times said: I just don't view rushing touchdowns at QB in the same way as passing touchdowns. Which is fine if you want to debate that There's nothing to debate. Both show up as 6 points on the scoreboard. I thought we left "rushing from QBs doesn't count" in the last decade. In the modern NFL it's almost a requirement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: There's nothing to debate. Both show up as 6 points on the scoreboard. I thought we left "rushing from QBs doesn't count" in the last decade. In the modern NFL it's almost a requirement. It counts as 6 just the same, but it's more stressful for a defense to be threatened vertically. When we start seeing Super Bowl champions led by QB's who run scramble a lot I will change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Mikie2times said: but it's more stressful for a defense to be threatened vertically It's more stressful for a defense when you score TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: It's more stressful for a defense when you score TDs. Lets see how this Texans game works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Lets see how this Texans game works out Lamar's legs just earned them a TD drive. I'm not sure why this is the hill you are choosing to die on. QB rushing yards and TDs have never been more important than they are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Lamar's legs just earned them a TD drive. I'm not sure why this is the hill you are choosing to die on. QB rushing yards and TDs have never been more important than they are today. Because if I wanted to waste my time it would be incredibly easy to prove rushing TD's at the QB position have almost no relationship with future playoff success. The QB finishing in the top 5 in rushing TD's last won a Super Bowl when? Now look at passing TD's. What is Lamars playoff record? What QB that can run are you going to point out to me that has had playoff success? Hurts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Mikie2times said: Because if I wanted to waste my time it would be incredibly easy to prove rushing TD's at the QB position have almost no relationship with future playoff success. The QB finishing in the top 5 in rushing TD's last won a Super Bowl when? Now look at passing TD's. What is Lamars playoff record? What QB that can run are you going to point out to me that has had playoff success? Hurts? How about the QB finishing in total TDs which is what we're talking about right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: How about the QB finishing in total TDs which is what we're talking about right now. We are talking about running TD's not holding the same value as passing TD's. Which you wanted to get into the immediate value of 6 points on, which I never was talking about. They don't predict success and almost have an inverse relationship with it. But people still want to talk about rushing TD's from the QB as if they are on the same level as passing TD's and if that's how you want to feel great. I don't agree and all the data clearly aligns to passing TD's being far more predictive of future success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 45 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: We are talking about running TD's not holding the same value as passing TD's. Which you wanted to get into the immediate value of 6 points on, which I never was talking about. They don't predict success and almost have an inverse relationship with it. But people still want to talk about rushing TD's from the QB as if they are on the same level as passing TD's and if that's how you want to feel great. I don't agree and all the data clearly aligns to passing TD's being far more predictive of future success. Two TDs, brought to you by Lamar's legs. This isn't really a debate. It's a simple fact that all yards and TDs count the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Two TDs, brought to you by Lamar's legs. This isn't really a debate. It's a simple fact that all yards and TDs count the same. You're right. It's not debatable. Lamar and his 89 yards passing, who has largely sucked in the playoffs because a better team will just take away his legs and that will happen again. Which is what always happens. If running prowess could hold up in the postseason we would see at least a few examples of it raising the trophy. Again, who in the top 5 in rushing TD's at QB has gone onto to win the Super Bowl? Now look at who the Top 5 in passing TD's has. It's basically every season. Rushing TD's just don't mean as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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