The pass offense still doesn't look right...right?

[QB Bills]

Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?

 

A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.

 

Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.

[SoonerBillsFan]

The only thing that bothers me is we still seem to have 2nd half issues with moving the ball and scoring.

[SoCal Deek]

Not sure if it’s ’not right’ or if it’s what they plan. A couple of weeks ago our #2 (Gabe Davis) had zero targets. This past week our new #2 (Sherfield) had zero targets. It’s hard to believe that’s by design but then again maybe Joe Brady is playing four dimensional chess. 

[Wraith]

The passing game has been up and down this season but the timing of this post is odd. The passing game was very efficient and well-structured against the Steelers and even against the Dolphins it was moving the ball at will until the red zone.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?

 

A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.

 

Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.

 

The 2020 offense is not the standard.  We were unreal that year and every team has those...come back to earth other seasons.  Doesn't mean we can reach those heights again.

Statistically across the board over the last 4 years, we are one of the best.  We are more balanced now which I think is scarier for defenses.

We can now beat you passing in the pocket, passing outside the pocket, Allen running designed/scramble and a strong running game with our RB's.  You have to defend all of that.  

 

It doesn't matter if it's broken down and improvised plays, that's Mahomes and Jackson as well.

[mjt328]

Even back in 2020-2021 during Brian Daboll, the offense was pretty streaky.  

Lots of games where they started slow, then seemingly woke up in the late 2nd or early 3rd Quarter.

 

Fans remember Daboll more fondly, because his last two games were the Perfect Game against the Patriots and 13 Seconds against the Chiefs... possibly the best streak Josh Allen has ever put together in his career.

 

The big difference I notice this year is the lack of deep ball plays.  Allen seems to just miss on anything over 30 yards that requires some arc.  

On the flip-side, the offense does have more balance between run/pass than under Daboll or Ken Dorsey.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The only thing that bothers me is we still seem to have 2nd half issues with moving the ball and scoring.

I think a lot of that though is execution. Dropped ball, bad sack, bad penalty, etc.
 

I think the plays are there, but mistakes have tended to derail some of our second half drives. 

[Drew21PA]

Get those points when you can and win

 

repeat

[HardyBoy]

I'm not sure those broken play scrambles to the right aren't actually by design...he leaves the pocket awfully early sometimes and has receivers coming open when he does

[PromoTheRobot]

13 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?

 

A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.

 

Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.

 

9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The only thing that bothers me is we still seem to have 2nd half issues with moving the ball and scoring.

 

I think we are getting spoiled. If it's not a perfect all-touchdowns Patriots playoff game, we think there's something wrong. 

 

We scored 31 points. That's very good.

[Steptide]

Diggs's production is still down, that leaves Shakir, harty and sherfield. Davis is so inconsistent you can't count on him to have a big game. All these guys need to step up and have big games this week. I still hate that beane didn't get Hopkins this off-season. He would've been a huge difference maker for us 

[davefan66]

Passing game just fine last week.  A fraction of an inch over the defender and Diggs scores a TD on that play, game over.  Josh made great reads vs Steelers, didn’t miss seeing guys run wide open.  Dude was on fire.   Would like to see a few more of those quick outs or maybe a slant to give us 2nd and short. 

 

My only issue is the run game calls.  People in the stands were calling our run plays before they happened.  Not all were poorly timed, but a handful put us in poor position on 2nd down and not only this last game.  Maybe they need to run outside versus straight ahead in a stacked box. Let Cook pick his hole.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

I think we are getting spoiled. If it's not a perfect all-touchdowns Patriots playoff game, we think there's something wrong. 

 

We scored 31 points. That's very good.

31 points with two missed field goals and intentionally grinding clock for most of the second half.

 

We aren't going to score every drive fellas. Also, why empty the playbook when you're up multiple scores in a game you are largely in control of? I think there's more in there waiting to be seen.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not sure if it’s ’not right’ or if it’s what they plan. A couple of weeks ago our #2 (Gabe Davis) had zero targets. This past week our new #2 (Sherfield) had zero targets. It’s hard to believe that’s by design but then again maybe Joe Brady is playing four dimensional chess. 

The way I see it-

Diggs = WR1 (56 snaps)

Kincaid = WR2 (37 snaps)

Shakir = WR3 (45 snaps)

Cook/knox = next up

sherfield = blocker/last option (42 snaps)

David Edwards = Blocking TE -played 37% of the snaps-  (25 snaps)

 

knox played 42% (28 snaps) 
 

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

26 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?

 

A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.

 

Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.

 

2020 Seahawks, Niners and Broncos games to name 3.

 

I feel you, QQB. 
 

There are great plays and moving the ball at times, but no more premiere gunslinging.

 

What a surprise it would be if it popped up this weekend.

 

Either way, Go Bills!

 

 

[oldmanfan]

I think we need to drop the concept of #1 Wr, #2 WR, etc.  It seems clear Brady designs plays to try and get specific guys open depending on the defense.  One play it might be a TE, one play Diggs, another Shakir.  And so on.

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The way I see it-

Diggs = WR1 (56 snaps)

Kincaid = WR2 (37 snaps)

Shakir = WR3 (45 snaps)

Cook/knox = next up

sherfield = blocker/last option (42 snaps)

David Edwards = Blocking TE -played 37% of the snaps-  (25 snaps)

 

knox played 42% (28 snaps) 
 

 

 

I’m guessing that’s accurate but so is my statement on targets. The Bills passing offense is essentially ignoring the #2 WR. I’m not saying that’s good or bad, but it’s interesting to see how an offense can function with ten men. 

[zow2]

I like when Allen moves around and either scrambles or makes a play on the run.  That's when he's at his best.

 

He's not Jared Goff.  When he sits there in the pocket looking around, sometimes he tends to take too long and throws an inaccurate pass or one of those 100mph fastballs to a guys standing 7 yards in front of him.

[The Jokeman]

46 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?

 

A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.

 

Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.

Cole Beasley was an elite slot WR when he first joined us. Toss in Diggs was probably at his peek performance age and John Brown offered some serious speed to kill defenses. As players have changed things aren't the same. Yet think the biggest thing is Josh, as he just needs to go with the easy stuff that's open and all too often he doesn't. Not sure if coaching or Josh just wanting to show more or the opposition just covering things better. That said I like our running game more than ever as Cook seems like can get between 5-10 yards every time he touches the ball, Josh  can run with the best of them. Now we just need to settle in and take what the D gives us and think we can beat anybody. As Kincaid has been a mismatch for everyone and Shakir stepping up when Diggs isn't open. 

[HappyDays]

Well yeah, we only have one WR on the roster that can play outside at an above average level. And that WR is not quite as elite as he been in the past (although looking closer to that level over the past two games). This conversation was done to death in the offseason and now we are left with the reality that it is hard to be a consistently elite passing offense without that #2. Allen makes some drives happen all on his own, but some drives are going to stall out because of our pass catchers. Kincaid has shown himself to be the most capable of all our options behind Diggs so we will really have to rely on him down the stretch. We will need Shakir and/or Harty to make an explosive play or two over the course of a game. We are trying to overcome a fundamental flaw in our roster construction so everyone else has to rise to the occasion to make up for it.