Wizard Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Jerry "Freakin" Rice never won a regular season MVP. Drew Brees, Randy Moss, and Roger Staubach did not either. Yes, the Super Bowl win and SB MVP is most important. Still, I am wondering who can honestly vote for Lamar Jackson to win a 2nd MVP when Josh Allen is significantly more valuable than Lamar. And, it is just criminal if Lamar had 2 MVP's when the two best WR's (imo) did not win one combined in Rice and Moss. 2 1 Quote
RiotAct Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Rice or Moss never won it? That’s pretty insane 2 2 Quote
BillsPride12 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 I could be wrong and I'm too hammered/lazy to google it right now but I could've sworn Jerry Rice has won an MVP before?? 1 Quote
Bferra13 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Should go to Allen this year, but we all know it prolly won't. Good breakdown: 1 5 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: I could be wrong and I'm too hammered/lazy to google it right now but I could've sworn Jerry Rice has won an MVP before?? Not AP MVP Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted January 16 Posted January 16 13 wins in 16 games is enough for Lamar to beat out Josh for MVP. That and too many turnovers for Josh. Lamar can have the MVP as long as Josh is Super Bowl MVP. 4 2 2 Quote
LeGOATski Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Yeah, the voting is kinda BS. But it has next to zero effect on a player's legacy, as demonstrated by the examples you gave. Quote
sven233 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Allen should win MVP. We'd have like 4-5 wins at most without him. He won't win it, but he should. Just need him to win Super Bowl MVP and we'll all be good with that. 1 2 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Josh could throw 50 tds but if he has 15 ints the world comes to an end as we know it. Plus what moron decided the mvp voting ends at week 18. Just more dumb nonsensical stuff. 4 Quote
LeGOATski Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: 13 wins in 16 games is enough for Lamar to beat out Josh for MVP. That and too many turnovers for Josh. Lamar can have the MVP as long as Josh is Super Bowl MVP. Wins aren't a QB stat, even though people like to act like they are. Similar to people always saying it's "QB vs QB"... People are just way to enamored with QBs. 1 Quote
LeGOATski Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Josh could throw 50 tds but if he has 15 ints the world comes to an end as we know it. Plus what moron decided the mvp voting ends at week 18. Just more dumb nonsensical stuff. You have to end it at the regular season. It's a regular season award. 3 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Wins aren't a QB stat, even though people like to act like they are. Similar to people always saying it's "QB vs QB"... People are just way to enamored with QBs. They actually are. Open the link & for the year by year career stats, it lists QBrec, Quarterback Record https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Quote
Big Turk Posted January 16 Posted January 16 15 minutes ago, Wizard said: Jerry "Freakin" Rice never won a regular season MVP. Drew Brees, Randy Moss, and Roger Staubach did not either. Yes, the Super Bowl win and SB MVP is most important. Still, I am wondering who can honestly vote for Lamar Jackson to win a 2nd MVP when Josh Allen is significantly more valuable than Lamar. And, it is just criminal if Lamar had 2 MVP's when the two best WR's (imo) did not win one combined in Rice and Moss. Especially since Allen's 2020 season was better in every way than Lamar's 2019 season where he was unanimous MVP and Allen lost our to an Aaron Rodgers all time season. Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) It was and always is anybody but Josh. Half the people hyped up over Josh this year are out of the playoffs. The other half haven't played yet. Wouldn't shock me if Lamar was 1 and done again either. Is what it is. I dont even really care. I want a SB. 3 to go baby! Edited January 16 by Scott7975 Quote
LeGOATski Posted January 16 Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: They actually are. Open the link & for the year by year career stats, it lists QBrec, Quarterback Record https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm The point is you can do that for any position. It's not QB-specific. 1 Quote
BBFL Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Allen. But JJ Watt coming in second to AP and that monster season for the Vikes is worth consideration. Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted January 16 Posted January 16 33 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The point is you can do that for any position. It's not QB-specific. It's only on QBs. Here, look at Diggs-not there. It IS a QB specific stat. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm 2 Quote
BBFL Posted January 16 Posted January 16 48 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Josh could throw 50 tds but if he has 15 ints the world comes to an end as we know it. Plus what moron decided the mvp voting ends at week 18. Just more dumb nonsensical stuff. For fairness to those who were pipped at the end of the season? Guy could be average, go on a tear and win SB. Philly just did it with Foles. Allen hasn’t won it since 2020. These past 4 seasons are all reasonable cases that should qualify him for MVP at least once. Hasn’t happened. Let’s focus on the SB’s and SBMVPs instead. Quote
BruceVilanch Posted January 16 Posted January 16 59 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: I could be wrong and I'm too hammered/lazy to google it right now but I could've sworn Jerry Rice has won an MVP before?? Superbowl MVP Quote
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