Kansas City at Buffalo in the Divisional Round!

[chongli]

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

 

I guess Nick Wright can look down the road and tell us what Kansas City will look like in 4 years, 8 years. 

 

Apparently they'll draft another Tight End as a good as Kelce immediately, Chris Jones will never get old, Isaiah Pacheco will be Emmitt Smith. 

 

No other AFC QB - Burrow, Stroud, Lawrence, Allen, Lamar, Herbert will ever win a Super Bowl. 

 

The Chiefs will win 15-straight Super Bowls apparently and maybe Mahomes will be 45 and still playing. 

 

Nick Wright's bar of good quarterback's is: Pat Mahomes. That's it. Nobody else measures up. If that's the case, why does any other fan of anyone outside of the Chiefs even watch the games? 

[90sBills]

19 hours ago, Steptide said:

Why is that dolphins player rooting so hard against kc? Because they beat them? 

Because KC is at the top with all their success. It’s lonely up there. Everyone roots for your downfall. Even if it means cheering on a divisional opponent. 

[boater]

I'd like to see the Tush Push done to the right this week.

[dickleyjones]

17 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

oh, well glad you asked.  Cause there has been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by a running quarterback.  Josh Allen running is the Bills identity because the brain trust hasnt given him a runner to compliment him. Need a big play?, Josh's legs...short yardage?  All Josh.  Best runner on the team, Josh Allen.  Maybe after the Dallas game Cook caught a little attention from opposing coordinators.  Usually he's ignored and will spurt a few before a couple negative plays that puts them behind the chains, and Josh is looked to for the bail out.  4th quarter to run the clock out? looks like Johnson won that job if the Pittsburgh game is any indicator.  Idk why they just dont give him the lions share of the carries during the game.   Bottom line a running quarterback only gets you so far as determined by the history of the NFL.

there have been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by Buffalo. guess we should all just give up.

 

damned statistics creating reality again!

[Scott7975]

18 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Were these the people who were rejoicing when Pacheco was out against the Bills the first time?

 

When we say this is the least talented cast Mahomes has had to work with. In 2020, Sammy Watkins was their 3rd receiver  behind Tyreek Hill and with a fresh Clyde Edwards Helare just drafted. 2021 had Hill, Hardman and Pringle. 2022 swapped the cast for Juju, Toney and MVS  (which people considered a downgrade). Then they lost Juju. 

 

Rasheed Rice has come along, but MVS has had a pattern of clutch drops and Toney was notorious for boneheaded plays (like the Offside) which is why the Giants dealt him on the cheap. 

 

I would take facing this Chiefs receiving corps over 2020 and 2021 10/10 and 11 on Sunday.

 

EDIT: I forgot having Jeremy Maclin early in his career.

 

It's not that Rice, MVS and Toney are benchwarmers. It's that compared to 2 HOF players they don't shine in comparison

 

I never said anything about them being as good as 2020 or 21.  I said people underestimate the skill they have.  All season long I heard their skill positions are trash and Mahomes has nobody which is why their offense sucked all year.  

Edited January 18 by Scott7975

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

 

Twitter thread by NFL:

 

Tweet 1 and 2:

 

 

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Tweets 5 and 6:

 

 

 

Look at how far off we were playing on 13-seconds. 

 

The Chiefs showed the Bills what would happen on the first play to Tyreek Hill. It was an immediate 15 yards. 

 

And they came out and did the same thing on the next play. 

[Saratoga Fan]

26 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

oh, well glad you asked.  Cause there has been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by a running quarterback.  Josh Allen running is the Bills identity because the brain trust hasnt given him a runner to compliment him. Need a big play?, Josh's legs...short yardage?  All Josh.  Best runner on the team, Josh Allen.  Maybe after the Dallas game Cook caught a little attention from opposing coordinators.  Usually he's ignored and will spurt a few before a couple negative plays that puts them behind the chains, and Josh is looked to for the bail out.  4th quarter to run the clock out? looks like Johnson won that job if the Pittsburgh game is any indicator.  Idk why they just dont give him the lions share of the carries during the game.   Bottom line a running quarterback only gets you so far as determined by the history of the NFL.

John Elway?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I never said anything about them being as good as 2020 or 21.  I said people underestimate the skill they have.  All season long I heard their skill positions are trash which is why their offense sucked all year.  

If we break down the Chiefs scoring by quarter, and eliminate Week 18, here is the breakdown:

 

Q1 - 25.3 ppg

 

Q2 - 21.5 ppg

 

Q3 - 22.0 ppg

 

Q4 - 20.8 ppg

 

So they have the potential to blow the Bills out on a good day, I don't dispute that. But this is not an offense that got better and better throughout the year despite Mahomes' promise. Rice improved, Kelce got worse, Pacheco is pretty good, but he is not a Nick Chubb lead the league in rushing type talent. 

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, boater said:

I'd like to see the Tush Push done to the right this week.

Absolutely!! I mean it's well known Josh always likes going to the left and it's starting to get stopped by defenses. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

28 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

oh, well glad you asked.  Cause there has been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by a running quarterback.  Josh Allen running is the Bills identity because the brain trust hasnt given him a runner to compliment him. Need a big play?, Josh's legs...short yardage?  All Josh.  Best runner on the team, Josh Allen.  Maybe after the Dallas game Cook caught a little attention from opposing coordinators.  Usually he's ignored and will spurt a few before a couple negative plays that puts them behind the chains, and Josh is looked to for the bail out.  4th quarter to run the clock out? looks like Johnson won that job if the Pittsburgh game is any indicator.  Idk why they just dont give him the lions share of the carries during the game.   Bottom line a running quarterback only gets you so far as determined by the history of the NFL.

John Elway was already pointed out--add Steve Young to that mix as well. Some of his timely runs remain legendary through NFL Films...

[1onemangang7]

3 minutes ago, Saratoga Fan said:

John Elway?

 Nope, broken play runner as was Steve Young, these guys were good picking up yards when plays fell apart.  They had Wateers and Craig and Terrell Davis.  Its not an argument that Josh should never run.  These guys will turn it into that cause they protect whomever wears the colors.  I think Cook is fine in a role, just not as Rb1.   the guy asked why.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If you go yards/game, taking away Week 18. 

 

Qtr 1 Chiefs 393

 

Qtr 2 Chiefs 370

 

Qtr 3 Chiefs 325

 

Qtr 4 Chiefs 338

 

So, give it to them. They put 26 on Miami and put up 409 yards. 

 

They're capable. 

 

But it's clear that outside of Mahomes and Kelce, the rest of their skill talent is not high-end (49ers type) talent. There is no Deebo Samuel on the Chiefs. 

 

With Skyy Moore coming back it adds another avenue for Mahomes to take. But Hardman, Moore, MVS, Toney would have to have a game that they haven't had all season to play at an elite level. None of those other guys have been game changing players this year. 

 

I am hoping Benford can play. 

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If we break down the Chiefs scoring by quarter, and eliminate Week 18, here is the breakdown:

 

Q1 - 25.3 ppg

 

Q2 - 21.5 ppg

 

Q3 - 22.0 ppg

 

Q4 - 20.8 ppg

 

So they have the potential to blow the Bills out on a good day, I don't dispute that. But this is not an offense that got better and better throughout the year despite Mahomes' promise. Rice improved, Kelce got worse, Pacheco is pretty good, but he is not a Nick Chubb lead the league in rushing type talent. 

 

Sigh this is turning into a continuous conversation that I don't really care to have.  All I am saying is that KC's skill position isn't trash like people try to portray it is.  Mahomes has some good skill positions to work with.  IOW they aren't fielding an offense full of Kelvin Benjamine's and Robert Fosters.  They are in a similar situation as us in that they have an elite guy and also some good players and also some poor ones.  

 

Thats it.  Nothing more.  Im not trying to say they have a bunch of Kelce's and Hills and such on their team.  Just that all year I keep hearing Mahomes has no one and thats not true at all.  That is the only thing I am disputing.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

When Sal C asks his same stupid question about who McDermott is going to declare out tomorrow, I hope he doesn't give an inch and say all have a chance. 

 

 

[bills742]

 

[1onemangang7]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

John Elway was already pointed out--add Steve Young to that mix as well. Some of his timely runs remain legendary through NFL Films...

Steve Young is still active as an analyst, i'm sure he'd concede he couldnt carry a team in both the running and passing game.  Its why Vic called him Elway on steroids.  If youve been around long enough to watch Kelly you know the difference.  

50 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

Steve Young is still active as an analysis, i'm sure he'd concede he couldnt carry a team in both the running and passing game.  Its why Vic called him Elway on steroids.  If youve been around long enough to watch Kelly you know the difference.  

Fangio 

Edited January 18 by 1onemangang7

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Me too.  I been talking about it all season.  I really hope this game doesn't come down to Bass.

I swear if he ........I won't even say it

1 hour ago, bills742 said:

Interesting choice of photo for Mahomes. 

Doesn't look like he's been sharing those nuggies

[Starr Almighty]

55 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

oh, well glad you asked.  Cause there has been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by a running quarterback.  Josh Allen running is the Bills identity because the brain trust hasnt given him a runner to compliment him. Need a big play?, Josh's legs...short yardage?  All Josh.  Best runner on the team, Josh Allen.  Maybe after the Dallas game Cook caught a little attention from opposing coordinators.  Usually he's ignored and will spurt a few before a couple negative plays that puts them behind the chains, and Josh is looked to for the bail out.  4th quarter to run the clock out? looks like Johnson won that job if the Pittsburgh game is any indicator.  Idk why they just dont give him the lions share of the carries during the game.   Bottom line a running quarterback only gets you so far as determined by the history of the NFL.

Steve Young says hello

[Southern_Bills]

57 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

oh, well glad you asked.  Cause there has been 57 super bowls and not one has been won by a running quarterback.  Josh Allen running is the Bills identity because the brain trust hasnt given him a runner to compliment him. Need a big play?, Josh's legs...short yardage?  All Josh.  Best runner on the team, Josh Allen.  Maybe after the Dallas game Cook caught a little attention from opposing coordinators.  Usually he's ignored and will spurt a few before a couple negative plays that puts them behind the chains, and Josh is looked to for the bail out.  4th quarter to run the clock out? looks like Johnson won that job if the Pittsburgh game is any indicator.  Idk why they just dont give him the lions share of the carries during the game.   Bottom line a running quarterback only gets you so far as determined by the history of the NFL.

 

Awesome, since you know how it ends don't watch lol. To label Allen a running QB is wild. He runs yeah but he is as good of a passer as anyone in the league.