Bookie Man Posted January 16 Posted January 16 He saw Minkah coming in too hot. Stutter step to change direction, then juke. Watched the game in a Steelers bar with my Steelers friend. Not one person there mentioned that it was a fake slide.
folz Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: That isn't a juke...he's slowing as if to slide...7 yards from nearest defender...then starts running again...how is this a juke? Who is he juking...the guy 7 yards away? You obviously don't watch much Bills football and Josh Allen. See if you can find a highlight reel of Josh's runs, you will see that was a run all the way (on the TD), Josh didn't think about sliding or fake sliding there, he was thinking more yards. Everyone who watches Josh on a regular basis knew that he was just trying to avoid the defender (juke him) by slowing down. Josh's jukes don't look like a running back's jukes (quick turn on a dime or quick shimmy), they are more changing angle with a shoulder shake, or stopping and starting, or attacking the defender. And the later slide was an obvious slide and not late. We could debate on whether the refs should have thrown the flag (was the hit late/was it too bang-bang to throw the flag), but that's not on Josh. And of course the player who gets hit is always going to feel that it was late (that's human nature)---ergo Josh calling for the flag to be thrown. As others have said, it is funny for a Chiefs fan to be coming to a Bills board to complain about something that his own QB does all of the time. So, it's ok for Mahomes to do that stuff whenever, but Josh (when he doesn't even do anything wrong) is some sort of crybaby or favored by the league or some garbage? I really can't understand people's continuous need to try and tear Josh down. 1 1
transplantbillsfan Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: Allen with the blatant fake slide on the long run, then later draws a 15 yard penalty on a late hit on slide where the defender didn't hit his head.....but can you blame him for going for the tackle based on the fake earlier? The slide is a play intended to protect the QB, not to do what Allen did. That was garbage. Oh wait... everyone is making a big deal about him pausing on that TD run??? Geebuz.... next you're gonna tell me he can't pump fake a pass and then pull it down to run because it's just not fair... waaah waaah waaah!!!! For the record, that defender had plenty of space and opportunity to make the play once he realized Allen wasn't sliding. And also, those complaining about the actual penalty on his slide are ridiculous because that was so obviously a penalty.
Zerovoltz Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh wait... everyone is making a big deal about him pausing on that TD run??? Geebuz.... next you're gonna tell me he can't pump fake a pass and then pull it down to run because it's just not fair... waaah waaah waaah!!!! For the record, that defender had plenty of space and opportunity to make the play once he realized Allen wasn't sliding. And also, those complaining about the actual penalty on his slide are ridiculous because that was so obviously a penalty. A pump fake, juke, fake pitch...etc are all plays that by rule DO NOT require the defender to give up on the play. A slide is specificially intended to protect the QB because by rule, once he slides he has given up, and by rule the defender must also. It's not the same thing. The defender was quoted after the game saying he wasn't sure if Josh was about to slide or not....causing him to pause...and not that Josh would know or care, but said player had already been fined and suspended for a late hits already this year. The defender to Josh's front right also pretty much gives up on the play (which is his fault, didn't play to whistle) so probably also thought Josh was about to slide. Doesn't look like a guy fighting to stay in the play and make a tackle at all. 2
mykidsdad Posted January 16 Posted January 16 7 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: Allen with the blatant fake slide on the long run, then later draws a 15 yard penalty on a late hit on slide where the defender didn't hit his head.....but can you blame him for going for the tackle based on the fake earlier? The slide is a play intended to protect the QB, not to do what Allen did. That was garbage. He is a big guy who changed direction. There was no fake slide. Josh hates sliding. And this comment only makes him want to run harder. 2 1
K-9 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: A pump fake, juke, fake pitch...etc are all plays that by rule DO NOT require the defender to give up on the play. A slide is specificially intended to protect the QB because by rule, once he slides he has given up, and by rule the defender must also. It's not the same thing. The defender was quoted after the game saying he wasn't sure if Josh was about to slide or not....causing him to pause...and not that Josh would know or care, but said player had already been fined and suspended for a late hits already this year. The defender to Josh's front right also pretty much gives up on the play (which is his fault, didn't play to whistle) so probably also thought Josh was about to slide. Doesn't look like a guy fighting to stay in the play and make a tackle at all. Yes, that’s it; Josh did a Jedi mind trick and made the defenders think he was gonna slide. More like those defenders didn’t wanna get trucked by a freight train with a full head of steam coming at them on a bitter cold evening. GTFOH with this crap already. 1 1
Governor Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, chongli said: I honestly have no idea why he would even think about sliding there. He’s running full speed, already 20 yards down the field, and has 2 blockers in front of him with another blocker to his left. Who the hell would slide there? Definitely not Josh. 1 1
Gunvald's Husse Posted January 16 Posted January 16 25 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: The defender was quoted after the game saying he wasn't sure if Josh was about to slide or not....causing him to pause... The defender to Josh's front right also pretty much gives up on the play (which is his fault, didn't play to whistle) so probably also thought Josh was about to slide. Doesn't look like a guy fighting to stay in the play and make a tackle at all. So two defenders gave up on a play becuase one thought Josh might be about to slide (note he didn't say he thought Josh was sliding but that he might) and the other might - in your mind since there is no evidence of that - have thought the same. Thank you for clearly identifying the problem ... and it wasn't with Josh! 1
GunnerBill Posted January 16 Posted January 16 I didn't think Josh was sliding. Slowing down to speed up is just an effective trick of using athletic advantage against guys you are more explosive than. That is all it was. 2
Turk71 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 What do you mean it wasn't a juke...he juked the ***** out of those guys. It was an ankle breaking fake out, the old stop cut and go. He's standing upright throughout the move.. GTFOH with that ***** 1
davefan66 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Amazing play. Was awesome watching from the stadium. You could see a convergence of Steelers defenders, and the boom! Off to the endzone! Oh, and not it wasn’t a fake slide. Juked, defenders didn’t follow up and TD.
Danger Mouse Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Yes, that’s it; Josh did a Jedi mind trick and made the defenders think he was gonna slide. More like those defenders didn’t wanna get trucked by a freight train with a full head of steam coming at them on a bitter cold evening. GTFOH with this crap already. This made me laugh. But that IS sort of the point of a fake. It wasn't a fake, not close. But justsayin.
BobbyC81 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 9 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: So no comment on the fake slide? What’s the URL for your Chiefs fan site? We’ll want to go there after we win next week.
phypon Posted January 16 Posted January 16 When you can't deal with reality, make up your own to make you feel better. It's all the rave these days. Btw, reality says Go Bills!!
Danger Mouse Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Imagine making the playoffs yourself and the first thing you have to do is cry about another team making the playoffs too. I reckon it's fear 1
papazoid Posted January 16 Posted January 16 both plays were ruled correctly there was a tiny bit of "intended" deception by josh on the 52 yard run....but the nearest defender was 5 yards away.....shame on them. there was clearly a late hit on other play. josh was well into giving himself up. the pit defender needs to play smarter. 1
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) There was no fake slide by Allen, but there is a point, the defender is often in a lose-lose situation when attempting to takle a QB. When Josh slowed, for sure the defenders processed "ok, he MAY slide", in that case, I could not takle him. This decision could lead to a split-second indecision and Josh is gone. I would call a late-hit on the QB only if it is blatant. In my opinion the one called on Prescott on 3&2 must be a no-call, the one on Josh is borderline. Edited January 16 by PaoloBillsFanFromItaly 1
machine gun kelly Posted January 16 Posted January 16 10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: Allen with the blatant fake slide on the long run, then later draws a 15 yard penalty on a late hit on slide where the defender didn't hit his head.....but can you blame him for going for the tackle based on the fake earlier? The slide is a play intended to protect the QB, not to do what Allen did. That was garbage. Voltz, what are you nervous about what the Bills are going to do to you this weekend.
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