Frazier & comp pick?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Brand J said:

Agree with the bolded, but it does open opportunities for minorities that otherwise wouldn’t have been there. The opportunity to interview for a coveted HC position. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

I believe Tomlin was a beneficiary of the Rooney Rule and the Steelers had said without the rule in place he likely wouldn’t have even been interviewed (if it wasn’t Tomlin and the Steeler’s comments, someone correct me on this). 
 

Minorities have long lagged behind others when it comes to opportunities for advancement, so I can’t poo poo the rule.  

The problem is, candidates are sometimes receiving interviews because they are minorities.  Not because the organization has serious interest in hiring them.

IMO, that's very insulting to anyone 

 

Edited January 15 by Warriorspikes51

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

16 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

They just stopped sending him checks 

 

They offered him the job of spraying for roaches in the basement but he declined.

[QLBillsFan]

16 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I would be very surprised if he got hired as a HC

Agree, my guess is DC with young first time coach. Wish him well but just don’t see it. 

[Brand J]

35 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The problem is, candidates are sometimes receiving interviews because they are minorities.  Not because the organization has serious interest in hiring them.

IMO, that's very insulting to anyone 

 

What one perceives as a problem, another perceives as an opportunity. Their skin color grants them an interview, nothing more.  What they can take away from that interview is experience… and if they’re lucky, a job.
 

To your second point, an organization doesn’t always know what it’s looking for, it’s the old adage “I’ll know it when I see it.” Going back to Tomlin, you could argue the Steelers didn’t have serious interest in hiring him when they scheduled the interview, but Tomlin blew them away and so he got the job. It’s only insulting if an individual allows it to be. Do you suffer from the rule in some way?

[daz28]

I wonder if the league ever considered that the comp picks could actually hinder their ability to get hired.  Maybe teams in your division wouldn't want to help their division rivals with the comp picks, so they move on???

[wppete]

17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That is my thinking but hadn’t heard it anywhere. That would be found money. 

He’s not a Rooney Rule in Vegas. Pierce would accomplish that. Some people just don’t get it.

According to Schefter and the rules now they must interview 2 minorities before a hire. Look it us. Leslie is Just getting used IMO. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

According to Schefter and the rules now they must interview 2 minorities before a hire. Look it us. Leslie is Just getting used IMO. 

this is even more insane. Forcing an organization to interview someone based on their ethnicity/skin color.  How can anyone be sure they are a serious candidate and not being used? 

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

this is even more insane. Forcing an organization to interview someone based on their ethnicity/skin color.  How can anyone be sure they are a serious candidate and not being used? 

He discusses it here briefly and was also talking about on the Pat Macafee show. 

 

 

[Brand J]

I get the outrage over giving someone a job because of their skin color. That shouldn’t happen, ever. I DON’T get the outrage over simply giving a minority an interview because of his skin color. If they feel they’re being used or not taken seriously, they can turn the interview down. Don’t feel angry or insulted for them. That’s not your place.

[QLBillsFan]

57 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The problem is, candidates are sometimes receiving interviews because they are minorities.  Not because the organization has serious interest in hiring them.

IMO, that's very insulting to anyone 

 

Possibly true. But if you have an excellent interview and don’t get it.. the word is out. It’s a winning opportunity. It’s up to you to make the best of it. Several (not all) of these candidates have significantly less experience than non minorities who don’t get an interview. Goes both ways. I mean Mayo gets the Pats job with 4 years of coaching experience. And a position coach until this year. He spent 1 year as co-dc while hoody’s kid called the D. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Brand J said:

I get the outrage over giving someone a job because of their skin color. That shouldn’t happen, ever. I DON’T get the outrage over simply giving a minority an interview because of his skin color. If they feel they’re being used or not taken seriously, they can turn the interview down. Don’t feel angry or insulted for them. That’s not your place.

 

& it's your place to tell someone else how to feel?  Haha okay, sure. 

[FLFan]

17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m guessing that it was just one of those situations where neither wanted to be in the relationship any longer. They wanted to see other people.

This is very likely true.  Frazier was an integral parts of the Bills success during his team here, and even if that had run its course, they were never going to do or say anything that disrespected Frazier and his contribution.  I wish him well.  

[Kirby Jackson]

On 1/15/2024 at 3:00 PM, wppete said:

According to Schefter and the rules now they must interview 2 minorities before a hire. Look it us. Leslie is Just getting used IMO. 

They interviewed Kris Richard too. The Rooney Rule has been satisfied without Frazier.

On 1/15/2024 at 12:19 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

yeah, the history of the NFL is littered with dubious retreads getting picked up by other teams.... then dumped again.  Look at this year's firings alone--a litany of HC's and former coordinators.  Some might get another shot because owners (i.e. those least fit to make such a choice) make that call.

 

But after he disappeared a year ago, I don't see anyone scrolling through their rolodex looking for Leslie's land line number....

 

 

Honestly, he would have a shot at a job if he were younger for the reasons that you mentioned. 

[klos63]

On 1/14/2024 at 7:44 PM, Mike in Horseheads said:

He's a Rooney Rule interview

Besides interim coach Pierce, the Raiders have interviewed 2 other minority coaching candidates. Are all 3 of them just to satisfy the Rooney rule or are do you just assume black coaches aren't deserving of an interview based on their abilities?

[klos63]

On 1/15/2024 at 1:02 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

this is even more insane. Forcing an organization to interview someone based on their ethnicity/skin color.  How can anyone be sure they are a serious candidate and not being used? 

I don't think there is a perfect solution. Unfortunately, decades of not even considering interviewing minority candidates has brought this on.  Organizations used to only interview white people and many of them were really awful coaches, but they were white and they gave them an unfair advantage.  Even a minor attempt to level the playing field is a step forward. And it's not like the coaches they are interviewing are unqualified, they have to be almost perfect, while crappy, white coaches get multiple opportunities.

[JaCrispy]

On 1/15/2024 at 2:08 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

The problem is, candidates are sometimes receiving interviews because they are minorities.  Not because the organization has serious interest in hiring them.

IMO, that's very insulting to anyone 

 

Agreed…It’s the unintended consequence of the rule…

[QLBillsFan]

On 1/15/2024 at 12:00 PM, wppete said:

According to Schefter and the rules now they must interview 2 minorities before a hire. Look it us. Leslie is Just getting used IMO. 

Unless he excels during an interview he otherwise would not have gotten ?

[benderbender]

The Bears could hire Frazier the 2nd time around but they won’t. They’ll stick with mediocrity and suffer.

[Bermuda Triangle]

Beane just stated that Frazier is still under contract, but that the contract will be expiring shortly