Frazier & comp pick?

[Niagara Dude]

I think unless Dabol hires him as DC he will just retire because no team wants him. The defence even with major injuries improved with McDermott taking over,  which points to Frazier as the problem. The defence was not dominating but way more sacks and big plays then in previous years

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/15/2024 at 10:31 AM, SoMAn said:

The 'leave of absence' line was nothing more than an extremely gracious way to part ways with a longtime and much respected coach and former player.  

Clearly, McDermott wanted to take charge of the defense. There was zero chance Frazier was coming back after a year. 

We have a classy coach who let the veteran leave with dignity. 

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Agreed. I got so much grief on this site for stating this at the time……

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/15/2024 at 12:57 PM, BarleyNY said:

Agreed. I got so much grief on this site for stating this at the time……

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I don't think he was ever coming back. The contentious point as I recall at the time was more did he jump or was he pushed and Frazier definitely jumped. It was his own decision to step away. I think (although despite trying to I haven't had this absolutely confirmed) that McDermott decided to call the defense and after originally accepting that Leslie having taken the week off post self scouting decided he wasn't willing to continue as DC without playcalling responsibility. 

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/15/2024 at 1:03 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he was ever coming back. The contentious point as I recall at the time was more did he jump or was he pushed and Frazier definitely jumped. It was his own decision to step away. I think (although despite trying to I haven't had this absolutely confirmed) that McDermott decided to call the defense and after originally accepting that Leslie having taken the week off post self scouting decided he wasn't willing to continue as DC without playcalling responsibility. 

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Isn’t changing someone’s job responsibilities a way of pushing them out? I’m not saying that this situation is 100% on either party or that the Bills wouldn’t have been justified in telling Frazier that they were going in another direction, but those aren’t “100% jumped” scenarios.

 

I’m not sure what happened exactly. I won’t speculate in this post, but if Frazier had asked out of his contract early (the 100% jumped scenario) I’m sure the Bills would have let him go. But they would not have paid him out for this season. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/15/2024 at 1:53 PM, BarleyNY said:

 

Isn’t changing someone’s job responsibilities a way of pushing them out? I’m not saying that this situation is 100% on either party or that the Bills wouldn’t have been justified in telling Frazier that they were going in another direction, but those aren’t “100% jumped” scenarios.

 

I’m not sure what happened exactly. I won’t speculate in this post, but if Frazier had asked out of his contract early (the 100% jumped scenario) I’m sure the Bills would have let him go. But they would not have paid him out for this season. 

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What I have had confirmed is that as the staff took their week off the Bills fully expected Leslie back. He was not fired, there was no desire to lose him. He contacted them after that break and said he wanted to step away, exactly as Brandon laid it our publicly.

 

Now something obviously prompted that and my speculation is the decision had already been taken that McD would call the defense. But if that were the case is suggests the Bills were happy for Leslie to continue as DC, just without the playcalling responsibility. 

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:09 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

What I have had confirmed is that as the staff took their week off the Bills fully expected Leslie back. He was not fired, there was no desire to lose him. He contacted them after that break and said he wanted to step away, exactly as Brandon laid it our publicly.

 

Now something obviously prompted that and my speculation is the decision had already been taken that McD would call the defense. But if that were the case is suggests the Bills were happy for Leslie to continue as DC, just without the playcalling responsibility. 

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Thanks for sharing what you know. Even though the Bills wanted Frazier back I would be shocked if they were  surprised by him not wanting to return after having play calling responsibilities stripped. At his age, with his experience and with only one year remaining on his contract, I’m sure that Frazier saw that situation for what it was - a gradual push out the door. He would’ve realized that his options were to stay on as DC in name for one more season and then not have his contract renewed or leave immediately. He chose the latter. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:39 PM, BarleyNY said:

 

Thanks for sharing what you know. Even though the Bills wanted Frazier back I would be shocked if they were  surprised by him not wanting to return after having play calling responsibilities stripped. At his age, with his experience and with only one year remaining on his contract, I’m sure that Frazier saw that situation for what it was - a gradual push out the door. He would’ve realized that his options were to stay on as DC in name for one more season and then not have his contract renewed or leave immediately. He chose the latter. 

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I also think Leslie being the kind of guy he is he probably also saw Sean taking on the defense as a HC knowing he was under increasing scrutiny wanting more control and will have realised that having he, the playcaller for the previous 6 seasons, hanging around in the background wasn't necessarily the most helpful. 

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:49 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I also think Leslie being the kind of guy he is he probably also saw Sean taking on the defense as a HC knowing he was under increasing scrutiny wanting more control and will have realised that having he, the playcaller for the previous 6 seasons, hanging around in the background wasn't necessarily the most helpful. 

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Yup. Better for everyone. 

[NewEra]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:42 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

He has multiple interviews (Chargers and Raiders that are confirmed)and there are a bunch of jobs available. It’s not crazy, at all. 

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I’d put his chances at around….

[stevestojan]

Imagine leaving your job, not being replaced by anyone, and the company doing better. And then expect other companies to be chomping at the bit to hire you for one of their most important roles. 

[Saxum]

  On 1/15/2024 at 3:19 AM, QCity said:

The man was fired so stealthily half the fanbase didn't realize it at the time.

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  On 1/15/2024 at 3:24 AM, Shortchaz said:

They just stopped sending him checks 

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Coaches are under guaranteed  contracts.   There is no way Frasier is just going to just walk away from it.

Viewpoint is so slanted by opinion of him.

[BillsShredder83]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:58 AM, Mike in Horseheads said:

Sorry I if I misread that with my answer on the Rooney Rule. I wonder if they paid him off to go away?

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If so and he gets a hc job, he owes us a 1day/$1.00 "coordinator for a day" contract, then he can sign hc deal 🤣🤣 a man can wish 

[Warriorspikes51]

Sadly, Leslie has been used many times through the years to "fulfill the Rooney rule" 

a completely INSANE and DISCRIMINATORY rule put in place by the league.  Absolutely absurd. 
 

Skin color and ethnicity should have ZERO to do with the hiring process 

[bigK14094]

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

[hondo in seattle]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:43 AM, Matt_In_NH said:

I would be very surprised if he got hired as a HC

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So would I.

Then again, each year there seems to be at least one HC hiring that surprises me.  

 

It shouldn't surprise us to be surprised.  

[bigK14094]

  On 1/15/2024 at 3:44 PM, bigK14094 said:

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

In the business I was in, we would have said Frazier was an excellent #2 man.  But, McD is a #1 man  calling the D plays now.  A question of innovation and depth of thought.  Frazier was extremely valuable to the new HC McD, but, Mc D has more bandwidth now as HC and has done both.

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Tech problem here, sorry.

[Charles Romes]

He actually has a resume comparable to Chan Gailey except the other side of the ball. Chan got a second chance at not the best of situations, comparable to today’s panthers. 

[HappyDays]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:58 PM, stevestojan said:

Imagine leaving your job, not being replaced by anyone, and the company doing better. And then expect other companies to be chomping at the bit to hire you for one of their most important roles. 

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It's not exactly true that the defense has been better this year though. There was a stretch in the middle of the season where they were performing like literally the worst defense in the league. They have certainly gotten it together down the stretch, but to be honest Leslie Frazier's problem was never regular season defense. It was always the playoffs where they would fall apart and let teams march up and down the field at will. Starting today we will see if that trend has finally changed.

[Brand J]

  On 1/15/2024 at 3:30 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

Sadly, Leslie has been used many times through the years to "fulfill the Rooney rule" 

a completely INSANE and DISCRIMINATORY rule put in place by the league.  Absolutely absurd. 
 

Skin color and ethnicity should have ZERO to do with the hiring process 

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Agree with the bolded, but it does open opportunities for minorities that otherwise wouldn’t have been there. The opportunity to interview for a coveted HC position. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

I believe Tomlin was a beneficiary of the Rooney Rule and the Steelers had said without the rule in place he likely wouldn’t have even been interviewed (if it wasn’t Tomlin and the Steeler’s comments, someone correct me on this). 
 

Minorities have long lagged behind others when it comes to opportunities for advancement, so I can’t poo poo the rule.  

[Mr. WEO]

  On 1/15/2024 at 2:42 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

He has multiple interviews (Chargers and Raiders that are confirmed)and there are a bunch of jobs available. It’s not crazy, at all. 

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yeah, the history of the NFL is littered with dubious retreads getting picked up by other teams.... then dumped again.  Look at this year's firings alone--a litany of HC's and former coordinators.  Some might get another shot because owners (i.e. those least fit to make such a choice) make that call.

 

But after he disappeared a year ago, I don't see anyone scrolling through their rolodex looking for Leslie's land line number....