YodaMan79 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I don't live in the area anymore, but have family still in the WNY area. My brother works security for the home games as fun side gig. He loves interacting with the fans, and the environment. Now he feels obligated to work the game because he knows they'll be short staffed. He's ex-military (Marine), a good dude and a person of principle. A trip back to Rochester in that weather as most of you know, is no joke. Maybe I'm jaded, but at a minimum the part-time rank and file staff that make game-day happen should taken care of! Would hazard compensation, or time and half be too much to ask for? I can't get this out of my head. The fact these organizations are willing to risk their employees safety/well being to keep their production on schedule, and not acknowledge peoples sacrifice is crazy. For somewhere around $15 as an average hourly rate, the organization and league should be embarrassed. Sorry for the rant. I guess this is just emblematic of society and business today. Bills...Do the right thing! Compensate these people for going above and beyond!!! Stay safe up there. 6 1 5 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Nfl only cares about money. Plus the game will look awesome on TV. They don’t care about people unless something bad happens, then they pretend to care. 1 11 Quote
Bangarang Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Not really different than other employees in other fields having to work when the weather gets rough. 1 5 1 Quote
Simon Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Props to your brother; hope somebody has a steak dinner waiting for him when he gets home. 2 1 1 Quote
CheshireCT Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) This sums up the downside of capitalism. Everything is supply and demand. No matter how rich a company is, they pay the lowest they can to achieve the ends to a mean. So basically as long as people will take this job for $15 an hour, they will pay $15 an hour. If they can’t get people, they will raise it. The higher profits, the more successful the corporation considers itself, as well as outside observers. EDIT: Since I received so many barf emojis. My comment was neither an anti-capitalism post, nor a pro-corporation, strap-up your boots argument either. I'm fully in support of "taking care of your people." Everyone's interpretation of "being taken care of" is going to be subjective, however. This is just my view as to how the vast majority of companies are going to operate - in their own best interest, and paying employees "market-rate." Edited January 16 by CheshireCT 1 3 1 1 1 Quote
BBFL Posted January 13 Posted January 13 He can get a $5 raise for being an active shoveler 😛 3 Quote
ddaryl Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, BBFL said: He can get a $5 raise for being an active shoveler 😛 Whats the rate for a passive shoveler ? Are there any work from home opportunities? 7 Quote
Just Jack Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Head out there today with a sleeping bag and stay in the field house. Quote
Don Otreply Posted January 13 Posted January 13 16 minutes ago, CheshireCT said: This sums up the downside of capitalism. Everything is supply and demand. No matter how rich a company is, they pay the lowest they can to achieve the ends to a mean. So basically as long as people will take this job for $15 an hour, they will pay $15 an hour. If they can’t get people, they will raise it. The higher profits, the more successful the corporation considers itself, as well as outside observers. Commonly referred to as greed…, 2 Quote
Jerome007 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just like when I bought my Bills winter coat years ago - that I still use, quality fabric I guess ha ha - it was made in Indonesia. NFL teams are making huge bank, yet outsourcing such work to pay super low wages, get it all imported back, etc. Yet they will bust our balls with patriotism, the environment and so on, while they do this themselves. As if a $150 coat that was suddenly $165 instead but made locally wouldn't sell as much. Or just a slightly lower profit share between owners and players. Just like I was shocked when we leaned the Army was paid for all the exposure. I really thought the NFL did as PR and a goodwill gesture, and in exchange for the flyovers and all that. Better just focus on the game and the players and fans. Otherwise we can go cynical and disgusted in a flash. 2 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 13 Posted January 13 20 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Not really different than other employees in other fields having to work when the weather gets rough. Cough*Cough* I am hourly and get shift differential. Sunday pay is 25% more too... Most games are on Sunday, right? 😉 Quote
Wizard Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Often the best way to not get slighted or treated poorly is not to work for them. Should the NFL or Bills pay laborers more? Of, course. They don't have to though, and fans don't have to take on the side hustles or temporary gigs if they don't want to either. For those ranting about Capitalism, yes, there are downsides. However, you can set up your home the way you like and just about all the major freedoms you and I have is the result of Capitalism. For those of us that have lived in several other countries with less privilege, resources, opportunity, economic mobility, and access, we generally accept billionaires and gigantic entities like the NFLmaking it possible for fans to voluntarily make extra money to shovel snow. 3 1 Quote
Markaf431 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Isn’t the security handled by another company? If so, why is it the NFL and the Bills are being held to the fire? Quote
BBFL Posted January 13 Posted January 13 30 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Whats the rate for a passive shoveler ? Are there any work from home opportunities? Hopefully enough. Quote
NewEra Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Tell him the stories about the Vikings and to man up 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 13 Posted January 13 55 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: I don't live in the area anymore, but have family still in the WNY area. My brother works security for the home games as fun side gig. He loves interacting with the fans, and the environment. Now he feels obligated to work the game because he knows they'll be short staffed. He's ex-military (Marine), a good dude and a person of principle. A trip back to Rochester in that weather as most of you know, is no joke. Maybe I'm jaded, but at a minimum the part-time rank and file staff that make game-day happen should taken care of! Would hazard compensation, or time and half be too much to ask for? I can't get this out of my head. The fact these organizations are willing to risk their employees safety/well being to keep their production on schedule, and not acknowledge peoples sacrifice is crazy. For somewhere around $15 as an average hourly rate, the organization and league should be embarrassed. Sorry for the rant. I guess this is just emblematic of society and business today. Bills...Do the right thing! Compensate these people for going above and beyond!!! Stay safe up there. would another $7.50 an hour make him safer? 24 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Just like when I bought my Bills winter coat years ago - that I still use, quality fabric I guess ha ha - it was made in Indonesia. NFL teams are making huge bank, yet outsourcing such work to pay super low wages, get it all imported back, etc. Yet they will bust our balls with patriotism, the environment and so on, while they do this themselves. As if a $150 coat that was suddenly $165 instead but made locally wouldn't sell as much. Or just a slightly lower profit share between owners and players. Just like I was shocked when we leaned the Army was paid for all the exposure. I really thought the NFL did as PR and a goodwill gesture, and in exchange for the flyovers and all that. Better just focus on the game and the players and fans. Otherwise we can go cynical and disgusted in a flash. NFL teams are not outsourcing "such work" to sweat shops. The companies that pay to put the logo on their garments do, like Nike. 1 Quote
Breakout Squad Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I think there’s a valid concern about the Chiefs game tonight because that is insanely cold. Dangerous cold especially for everyone that has to work the game. Buffalo will have the snow and that can be dangerous but temps in the 20’s isn’t bad. Quote
Beast Posted January 13 Posted January 13 As long as the Bills can get people to do that for 15 dollars, things won’t change. However I do agree with you. In these situations the Bills should be treating these employees like gold. 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted January 13 Posted January 13 The bottom line is the only way the game won't be played 1:00 Sunday is if the roads are closed. It doesn't sound like they'll be enough snow to do that. Quote
Heavy Kevi Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: would another $7.50 an hour make him safer? NFL teams are not outsourcing "such work" to sweat shops. The companies that pay to put the logo on their garments do, like Nike. Great points, WEO Have we really gotten to the point where at-will work for twice the federal minimum wage (and equal to ny min wage), is somehow cruel? I'm just not getting it. My feelings probably ruffle some feathers, but people in other countries LITERALLY (and not literally in the commonly used colloquial sense) are DYING and risking everything to get here for easy (I don't mean easy phisically, but it's non-skilled) work like this. Honestly it's a bit of a straw man argument... Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. As mentioned above supply and demand is king. If there aren't workers at that price, they will raise it. So assuming the stadium gets shoveled, that means there were enough people willing to do it for that price, and everyone complaining about having to shovel doesn't actually have to shovel at all. 1 Quote
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