Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Beane is good to very good. Just dont call him a genius as many do but the OP did not. Lots to agree with the OP. But... Ttmhe OP gives credit for not signing Edmunds to a long term deal but forgets it was Beane who gave up an extra second round pick to move up and draft him. Many of us wanted Allen. But we have no idea what Beane's board was. If the Jets or Browns take Allen it is more likely than not Beane would have been fired by now. My biggest miss was on Bernard. I really criticized Beane for the draft pick and not having a better option to replace Edmunds. Was wrong on that account so far. Bernard has instincts that Edmunds will never have. He is a playmaker. As for the OL, he has had more than his share of misses. He's overpaid for guys and had guys on second contracts really crap out. But his faith in Brown looks reasonably well deserved and the starting 5 and depth guys in 2023 are the best we have had since the SB years. WR is still very hit and miss. Obviously he hit it out of the park with the Diggs trade. Almost every other WR trade or draft pick is middling at best. TE. I am an unabashed Knox fan. Like the Kincaid draft pick too. Hopefully we find an OC that figures out how to use both. I'm not criticizing the Miller deal. I praised it at the time so I can't rip him now that he is injured and unproductive! My second biggest miss was Oliver. Didn't like the pick at the time and didn't like the second contract. I would have let him walk but he has been very good this year. He's still not a top 5 guy but he is also not being paid like a top 5 guy either. Currently ranked 12th in salary which feels just about rightm Quote
eball Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Just put Beane's record up against the other 31 GMs and you realize how good he is. Nobody is right all the time in this game, and if you're right half the time you look like a genius. It's so easy to cherry-pick the good and the bad, but compare the overall product and you understand how lucky we are to have him. 1 Quote
Phils n Bills Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Reading through these responses, it has come to my attention that I don’t use the word “quibble” enough. Quibble is fun to say. Quibble is less abrasive than using “issue” or “gripe”. Therefore, I think beane also deserves credit for the creation of this thread, and thus opening my eyes to my lack of use of quibble in everyday conversation. thanks Beane! Quote
BigDingus Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I'm guilty of the Oliver one. I didn't think he deserved that much money, and for a few years, he did not live up to my expectations. I don't think Elam is "TBD," though. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but he's a bust in my eyes. Gabe still has a lot of value, though I'm not saying he should get a massive contract. $10-12 million a year is actually on the low-mid range for WRs these days. Top guys like Hill are getting $25-$30 million per year, while other #1 guys are hitting $20 million yearly. Beane's picks the last 2 years have definitely been pretty good, so I'm happy overall. 1 Quote
JohnNord Posted January 11 Posted January 11 54 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Thought it might be interesting, as we head into the playoffs, to discuss a few times in recent seasons that we were all wrong and Brandon Beane was right: - "Wrong Josh" - don't you wish you had Josh Rosen right now? - "Undersized LB" - letting Tremaine Edmunds walk and replacing him with a tiny LB in Terrel Bernard?? Disaster! - "Pay Shaq! Pay Phillips! Pay Poyer!" - Beane let all of them walk and all of them came back on cheaper contracts. - "Don't pay Ed!" - Remember your reaction when you saw the big Ed Oliver contract? - "Another RB who can't handle a full workload!" - Cook is way too small to ever be a true lead back. - "Pay Gabe Davis" - what a difference a year makes. Wish we locked Gabe up last year at $12M/yr. - "FIRE MCDERMOTT" - this would have been Beane's call, if it happened. I'm sure there are many more, but those are just from the top of my head. How about that Rasul Douglas trade? 2022 Draft Class: 1st - Elam - TBD 2nd - Cook - STUD 3rd - Bernard - STUD 5th - Shakir - STUD 6th - Benford - STUD 7th - Spector - Possibly good depth! 2023 Draft Class: 1st - Kincaid - STUD 2nd - Torrence - STUD 3rd - Dorian - TBD 5th - Shorter - TBD 7th - Broeker + Austin - our team was too deep to keep them Beane has been en fuego. Do you have any others? Brandon Beane does not oversee Sean McDermott. He couldn’t fire him even if he wanted to. One move you left off was rolling with Spencer Brown at RT. At last season’s presser he cited some reasons why we haven’t seen his best football yet. Many of us assumed he’d be the same player he always had been. But he has stepped up. To the same effect though, Beane said something similar about Gabe Davis and was wrong. 1 Quote
RyanC883 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 32 minutes ago, eball said: What? Cook is top 5 yards from scrimmage and Kincaid just set a TE catch record for the Bills. If those aren’t “difference makers” what exactly are you looking for? "Difference Maker" is someone the opposing DC is scared of. Very good is what Kincaid and Cook are. Allen, Diggs, Morse (perhaps past his prime now, but previously), those are difference makers on offense. Someone like Hill, Lamb, St. Brown, Kyren Williams, McCaffery, Mostert, Kittle, are difference makers on offense. Quote
Sharky7337 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Honestly this post is an over reaction and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. You call a stud a wr with like 400 yards? Lets be real now. Edited January 11 by Sharky7337 Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 11 Posted January 11 57 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Thought it might be interesting, as we head into the playoffs, to discuss a few times in recent seasons that we were all wrong and Brandon Beane was right: - "Wrong Josh" - don't you wish you had Josh Rosen right now? - "Undersized LB" - letting Tremaine Edmunds walk and replacing him with a tiny LB in Terrel Bernard?? Disaster! - "Pay Shaq! Pay Phillips! Pay Poyer!" - Beane let all of them walk and all of them came back on cheaper contracts. - "Don't pay Ed!" - Remember your reaction when you saw the big Ed Oliver contract? - "Another RB who can't handle a full workload!" - Cook is way too small to ever be a true lead back. - "Pay Gabe Davis" - what a difference a year makes. Wish we locked Gabe up last year at $12M/yr. - "FIRE MCDERMOTT" - this would have been Beane's call, if it happened. I'm sure there are many more, but those are just from the top of my head. How about that Rasul Douglas trade? 2022 Draft Class: 1st - Elam - TBD 2nd - Cook - STUD 3rd - Bernard - STUD 5th - Shakir - STUD 6th - Benford - STUD 7th - Spector - Possibly good depth! 2023 Draft Class: 1st - Kincaid - STUD 2nd - Torrence - STUD 3rd - Dorian - TBD 5th - Shorter - TBD 7th - Broeker + Austin - our team was too deep to keep them Beane has been en fuego. Do you have any others? Elam is a bust not sure why it’s still TBD. ? Quote
julian Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 45 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I like cook, he's got a lot of potential But if your go to play on third/fourth and short is still QB keep you don't have a great RB No, it just means you have a freak show 6’5 250lb QB who’s money Edited January 11 by julian 1 Quote
Phils n Bills Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: Elam is a bust not sure why it’s still TBD. ? I respectfully wouldn’t consider him a bust yet. Not a large enough body of work yet. Not saying he isn’t a bust, it just may be an issue with scheme above anything else. Between the lack of field experience, and the transition to a zone defense, I would still say TBD on that. 1 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Allen, Kincaid are bona-fide differences makers. Cook is improving but still is a work in progress (drops). If Gabe wants to return on a discounted contract fine but for me personally I want him replaced for a more consistent WR2. Where Beane really shines in spectacular fashion is the low end fa pick ups like Douglas. Unfortunately Elam is a bust...it happens. The Von deal was a big swing that now is looking like a disaster cap wise. In my eyes Beane has done a fantastic job but he won't be the one deciding what happens to McD down the road. Edited January 11 by LABILLBACKER Quote
mannc Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Thought it might be interesting, as we head into the playoffs, to discuss a few times in recent seasons that we were all wrong and Brandon Beane was right: - "Wrong Josh" - don't you wish you had Josh Rosen right now? - "Undersized LB" - letting Tremaine Edmunds walk and replacing him with a tiny LB in Terrel Bernard?? Disaster! - "Pay Shaq! Pay Phillips! Pay Poyer!" - Beane let all of them walk and all of them came back on cheaper contracts. - "Don't pay Ed!" - Remember your reaction when you saw the big Ed Oliver contract? - "Another RB who can't handle a full workload!" - Cook is way too small to ever be a true lead back. - "Pay Gabe Davis" - what a difference a year makes. Wish we locked Gabe up last year at $12M/yr. - "FIRE MCDERMOTT" - this would have been Beane's call, if it happened. I'm sure there are many more, but those are just from the top of my head. How about that Rasul Douglas trade? 2022 Draft Class: 1st - Elam - TBD 2nd - Cook - STUD 3rd - Bernard - STUD 5th - Shakir - STUD 6th - Benford - STUD 7th - Spector - Possibly good depth! 2023 Draft Class: 1st - Kincaid - STUD 2nd - Torrence - STUD 3rd - Dorian - TBD 5th - Shorter - TBD 7th - Broeker + Austin - our team was too deep to keep them Beane has been en fuego. Do you have any others? This is really cringe-worthy...Can we at least get to one Super Bowl before we erect a monument to our General Manager? And with regard to the bolded, speak for yourself... Edited January 11 by mannc 1 1 Quote
JohnNord Posted January 11 Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: "Difference Maker" is someone the opposing DC is scared of. Very good is what Kincaid and Cook are. Allen, Diggs, Morse (perhaps past his prime now, but previously), those are difference makers on offense. Someone like Hill, Lamb, St. Brown, Kyren Williams, McCaffery, Mostert, Kittle, are difference makers on offense. True… but Kincaid is a rookie and I do believe he has the potential to be one of the best TE’s in the league. Notn sure if Cook will ever get beyond “very good,” but there’s definitely a chance Quote
Saxum Posted January 11 Posted January 11 14 minutes ago, eball said: Just put Beane's record up against the other 31 GMs and you realize how good he is. Nobody is right all the time in this game, and if you're right half the time you look like a genius. It's so easy to cherry-pick the good and the bad, but compare the overall product and you understand how lucky we are to have him. Panthers made a mistake not promoting him after him being assistant GM promoting current GM to GM Emeritus, Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Kincaid and Cook aren't difference makers? Bills scored more points last year. They also had more passing TDs, same yards, same rushing TDs/yards, more 1st downs. The main difference is the run/pass mix this year. Quote
NI Bills Fan Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: The Elam TBD is extremely generous dude Totally Boneheaded Decision? (For what's it worth I still hold out a little hope for Elam 😄) Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I don't care if we draft 32nd, move up and go WR round 1 this year. Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 11 Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, NI Bills Fan said: Totally Boneheaded Decision? (For what's it worth I still hold out a little hope for Elam 😄) Haha that could be a solid label. I don't blame you for holding out hope, but to the OP saying TBD up to this point when 2 years in as a 1st rounder he's had a lot of trouble cracking the roster even at times when the secondary has been decimated is a little much. You can think two things at the same time, that Beane has been good and that so far the Elam pick has been a disaster. 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Bills scored more points last year. They also had more passing TDs, same yards, same rushing TDs/yards, more 1st downs. The main difference is the run/pass mix this year. 4 points over 17 games is pretty much meaningless and not statistically significant. Would Cook catching an easy TD against Miami make you feel differently if they had 3 more points than last year? Now if you said the Chiefs offense scored more points last year than yeah, that would be a huge difference...496 to 371...125 points less this year. 455 to 451 is basically meaningless. Edited January 11 by Big Turk 1 Quote
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