The pass to Johnson at the end of the first half...

[MikePJ76]

13 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Thank you - There was no WR in the EZ...

I think McDermott's point was you just launch that out of the back of the endzone and take the three.  Had they scored and everything else played out the same that final dolphins drive would have been different and the tension would have been gone

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I had no issue with the play either. Baker made a great play/borderline dirty/illegal play to keep him out, but it definitely had a chance to be a TD when Josh threw it.

 

I have more of a problem with McDermott throwing Allen under the bus when he made those comments at the half

It wasn't borderline at all.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

That moron just posted this. 

 

Welp...AFCE TITLE DENIED. 

[DapperCam]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

I think McDermott's point was you just launch that out of the back of the endzone and take the three.  Had they scored and everything else played out the same that final dolphins drive would have been different and the tension would have been gone

But at halftime you can’t know that the Bills defense would turn into the 85 Bears. Miami had 2 great drives, and it is just as likely we need those extra points to keep up in the 2nd half. That throw scores a TD more often than not. McDermott would win every game 12-9 if he could.

[Alphadawg7]

39 minutes ago, eball said:

...ok, so first of all, we KNOW Josh should have only thrown the ball to a guy in the endzone or thrown it away.  That was a mistake.  But if you get past that, it was a good throw to an open guy and it looked like Johnson was going to score until Baker blew him up with a helmet to helmet hit at the goal line.  Why no flag there?   It was blatant and knocked Johnson out of the game with a concussion.

 

 

If I am being honest about that play, Josh delivered the ball a little behind Johnson whereas had he led him more he could have had a better shot at diving for the score before the impact.  Johnson had to turn all the way back towards the LOS to make that catch and then turn back towards the endzone at which time he was immediately hit.  

 

Not sure he scores either way, but he definitely would have had a little better chance had he not have had to turn back for the ball and caught it in front on him so he could make the dive.

[MikePJ76]

9 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

But at halftime you can’t know that the Bills defense would turn into the 85 Bears. Miami had 2 great drives, and it is just as likely we need those extra points to keep up in the 2nd half. That throw scores a TD more often than not. McDermott would win every game 12-9 if he could.

I was just stating what McDermott meant.

 

and yea it was a blatant penalty and they should have had an untimed down in which they no doubt would have gone for it.

 

[Big Turk]

I've watched that play at least 10 times and every time I'm left stunned that he didn't score from his momentum carrying him in.

 

It was a solid tackle by Baker. An illegal, solid tackle, but that didn't get called.

[K-9]

It can’t be a surprise that the gutless cretin refs didn’t throw the flag on that play in that situation. 
 

As for the play itself, I think Johnson could have thinned out the route a bit, but he did all he could given his relative inexperience with Josh. 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

But at halftime you can’t know that the Bills defense would turn into the 85 Bears. Miami had 2 great drives, and it is just as likely we need those extra points to keep up in the 2nd half. That throw scores a TD more often than not. McDermott would win every game 12-9 if he could.

 

We have stopped the Dolphins offense without being the 85 Bears.

 

If McDermott wanted to score very little points, he would have kept Tyrod Taylor.  
If McDermott wanted to score very little points, then we wouldn't be the league leader in point differential in the last 4 years.  We by far lead the league in blowouts.

[Dan Darragh]

53 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

There are two problems here. First no call on the helmet to helmet (this being the second BEYOND obvious foul that should have been called, first being the Knox PI) the other issue is McD waisted the last TO with 57 seconds left. We were over the 50, had a first down and plenty of time. Just spike it. 

What you're saying is waste a play to save a timeout so that you'll be able to get an extra play.  Doesn't make any sense.

[Simon]

I hope that guys getting after it at the goalline never ever becomes a penalty.

That's just football in its purest form.

[Bermuda Triangle]

51 minutes ago, zow2 said:

From the field level video I saw behind Josh, it was pretty crazy to see how wide open Ty Johnson was when he caught that ball, and how fast the guys closed on him. Josh had to think that was a TD when he released the ball.  Clearly helmet to helmet but as we have seen, the refs basically stopped calling that...even on the Bills.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

This is football, not tiddlywinks. I'm fine with the hit given the situation. I wouldn't want them getting a flag if that was our D making the stop.

 

As for Josh, that cost us at least 3 points. Also the first INT to nobody in the end zone was another 3. Also the sack fumble was possibly another 3. That's 9 points Josh alone cost us. Yes he also scored some points but we won't have the luxury to give up 9 points to the good teams in the playoffs

Allen "alone" cost us 3 points on the strip sack?  Doesn't Torrense and maybe Morse get an assist there?  Or is it real rare when a great DT gets into the backfield instantly and hits the QB a fumble occurs?

 

And is Cook responsible for costing us 7 points when he dropped a perfectly thrown pass right before the Johnson throw?

 

 

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

 

 

Yeah I was gonna post that screenshot too. Baker is out of the frame at that point. It's crazy that it somehow wasn't a TD. A tougher RB stretches over the goalline, but I can't really blame Ty, it was just a great play by Baker.

 

If Allen isn't supposed to throw this pass, then they might as well have just kicked the FG on 3rd down. That's as open as it gets in this situation. The correct answer is that Cook needed to make a simple catch in the endzone on the previous play. You don't often get multiple chances to score TDs at this area of the field. Cook blew it, no one else.

 

Edited January 10 by HappyDays

[BuffaloMatt]

If it worked JA is king, it didn't .  . .he gets scolded. As for the penalty, I thought the Zerbras all weekend in the games that had consequences  kept their flags in their pocket. Maybe that was something the league put in place? 

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I was gonna post that screenshot too. Baker is out of the frame at that point. It's crazy that it somehow wasn't a TD. A tougher RB stretches over the goalline, but I can't really blame Ty, it was just a great player by Baker.

 

If Allen isn't supposed to throw this pass, then they might as well have just kicked the FG on 3rd down. That's as open as it gets in this situation. The correct answer is that Cook needed to make a simple catch in the endzone on the previous play. You don't often get multiple chances to score TDs at this area of the field. Cook blew it, no one else.

Eli Apple corraled him around the waist which was a major reason that he didn't get in

Edited January 10 by BuffaloMatt

[manateefan]

It clearly was helmet to helmet. Should have been a penalty. Johnson out because possible concussion.

 

[Freak-O]

55 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Good teams don't cry about flags they didn't get. It was a bad decision to throw that ball because the end result was very likely to happen and it did. He could have tackled him lower and it would have been the same thing.

All teams cry about flags they didn’t get, so by that logic there are no good teams. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

43 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I had no issue with the play either. Baker made a great play/borderline dirty/illegal play to keep him out, but it definitely had a chance to be a TD when Josh threw it.

 

I have more of a problem with McDermott throwing Allen under the bus when he made those comments at the half

 

Can't tell you how annoyed I was at that McD comment.

 

You're the head coach. You can't call a play with multiple guys running routes short of the EZ and then blame the QB when he throws it to one of them. 

 

Par for the course for our HC that never accepts personal responsibility on mistakes. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, manateefan said:

It clearly was helmet to helmet. Should have been a penalty. Johnson out because possible concussion.

 

Just going helmet to helmet doesn't make it a penalty.. helmets collide every single play

 

It does not look like he lowered the crown of his helmet into Ty's just to KO him 

 

They both lower their head for contact at the goal line... bracing for a huge impact

Edited January 10 by Buffalo716

[K D]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen "alone" cost us 3 points on the strip sack?  Doesn't Torrense and maybe Morse get an assist there?  Or is it real rare when a great DT gets into the backfield instantly and hits the QB a fumble occurs?

 

And is Cook responsible for costing us 7 points when he dropped a perfectly thrown pass right before the Johnson throw?

If you protect the football it's very rare for you to turn it over. Holding onto the ball with 1 hand while getting sacked is not protecting the football. Throwing to nobody in the end zone for a pick is not protecting the football. Throwing short of the end zone with no timeouts it's just stupid, high school kids know not to do that