WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 2:34 PM, Seventeen said: Sure thing boss - this type of thing never happens anywhere else. Expand I mean, there's a loooooong list of reasons why Florida deeps digging themselves deeper, but I'll keep it over to PPP. 3 3 Quote
DC Greg Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) On 1/9/2024 at 11:40 AM, SoMAn said: This is so sad. A wonderful road trip to see his Bills beat the Dolphins ends like this. Hope the investigation finds the shooter. Part of the reason I've learned restraint is because of the number of crazies out there who think they're in an action movie and will just start discharging a firearm with no regard to consequences. I used to be the guy who would not back down from confrontation, even if there was a fair chance of getting my azz beat. Fortunately, I've had a more sensible wife to calm me down, and I sure don't want her in the middle of anything. I walk away. As Falstaff said, 'sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor'. Prayers for the family. Expand Plus they have a stand your ground law in place. Since there was a confrontation before the murder, the killer would have a path to try to get off saying that he "felt threatened" by someone touching his vehicle. Would be interesting to see if that defense worked. But since he fled the scene, he probably would have more trouble claiming stand your ground. Edited January 9, 2024 by DC Greg Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:18 PM, DC Greg said: Plus they have a stand your ground law in place. Since there was a confrontation before the murder, the killer would have a path to try to get off saying that he "felt threatened" by someone touching his vehicle. Would be interesting to see if that defense worked. But since he fled the scene, he probably would have more trouble claiming stand your ground. Expand Perp would have to prove he was being threatened with "deadly force" to make that case. not happening. 2 Quote
SoMAn Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 2:35 PM, Heels20X6 said: It's the absolute appropriate strategy to have these days. Now, let me preface this by saying this isn't a judgement on the 2nd amendment, but it is very easy to obtain and carry a firearm. As a result, you have no idea that the person you are arguing with or fighting with is packing and, as you mentioned, has no real understanding of the consequences of trying to settle an argument with a gun. Expand I'd bet even money that the shooters in most criminal acts haven't followed protocol by legally obtaining their firearm and carry permit. The vast majority of people with legally issued carry permits are law-abiding Americans who've been properly trained, and only want to be able to protect their family, themselves, and their property. 4 3 Quote
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:18 PM, DC Greg said: Plus they have a stand your ground law in place. Since there was a confrontation before the murder, the killer would have a path to try to get off saying that he "felt threatened" by someone touching his vehicle. Would be interesting to see if that defense worked. But since he fled the scene, he probably would have more trouble claiming stand your ground. Expand One would think that since the murderer supposedly backed their car 20 +/- feet into the victim, the "stand your ground" defense wouldn't hold much water, but, this is Florida, so who knows. Quote
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:17 PM, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I mean, there's a loooooong list of reasons why Florida deeps digging themselves deeper, but I'll keep it over to PPP. Expand Indeed, take it to PPP. Plenty of room there for insane political infighting. 2 1 Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 Terrible. RIP to my fellow Canadian Bills fan. Needlessly lost to a stupid decision by a small minded fool with a gun. 1 2 1 Quote
DC Greg Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) On 1/9/2024 at 3:27 PM, Mr. WEO said: Perp would have to prove he was being threatened with "deadly force" to make that case. not happening. Expand Not sure if you've seen some the Stand Your Ground defenses that have worked down there and in other states, but many juries in Florida have very, very loosely interpreted what constitutes "threatened with deadly force". Yeah, we all seem to think from the details of this case it's a straight up cold blooded murder, but I thought that in some other cases and the killer got off with Stand Your Ground. People seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes a "deadly threat" and what justifies someone in killing that person to "protect themselves" with a firearm. A few examples: https://www.propublica.org/article/five-stand-your-ground-cases-you-should-know-about Edited January 9, 2024 by DC Greg Quote
zow2 Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 2:36 PM, DeltaDigital said: second fan miami fans murdered this year. what a classy organization. Expand Yeah, that Dolphins fan punched and killed the Pats fan in Gillette Stadium. This killing in Miami is horrific. Just going to a game. ugh. 1 Quote
Bob Jones Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) What a terrible story. May he RIP. Just read this a few minutes ago at the Miami Herald: Dylan Isaacs and his friends were walking through traffic — likely to a parked car — after watching the Bills defeat the Dolphins in the AFC East title game, when a driver careened his car to try to hit them and sped off, Ashley Cooke, a family friend, said in an online fundraiser. The family is trying to cover the costs of transporting Isaacs’ body back to his home in Six Nations, the largest First Nations reserve in Canada, home to the Mohawk, Cayagua and other nations. After Isaacs and his friends ran after the car, Cooke said, a man yet to be identified got out of the vehicle and shot him before driving away. The car that the shooter fled in has been found in West Palm Beach, roughly 60 miles from the stadium, Miami Gardens police said. As of Tuesday morning, authorities had not announced any arrests in connection to the fatal shooting. A ‘SENSELESS MURDER’ Around 11:55 p.m. Sunday, shortly after the game ended, Miami-Dade cops assigned to the Dolphins game at the Miami Gardens stadium rushed to the 19400 block of Northwest 27th Avenue after receiving reports of shots fired. Officers and paramedics tried to save Isaacs’ life but he died at the scene, Miami Gardens police said. According to Miami-Dade Fire Rescue, no one was taken to the hospital. Miami Gardens police have not confirmed Cooke’s accounts of what happened, but they said a man shot and killed Isaacs after arguing with them. Isaacs posted a photo of himself smiling with two others at the stadium hours before the shooting. Edited January 9, 2024 by Bob Jones Grammar Quote
US Egg Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) I just read that the vehicle was located by Miami police. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/aunt-of-bill-fan-details-how-nephew-was-shot-killed-near-hard-rock-stadium-after-dolphins-game/3201094/ “The shooter fled the scene and remains on the run, but Miami Gardens Police confirmed Tuesday that the suspect's vehicle was located in West Palm Beach.” Edited January 9, 2024 by I am the egg man 2 Quote
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 My sister said this happened about 50 yards in front of her as she walked to her car after the game. 3 2 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:47 PM, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: My sister said this happened about 50 yards in front of her as she walked to her car after the game. Expand Yeah, there were crowds all over that area. Given authorities have located the vehicle, should just be a matter of time before this criminal is behind bars, and hopefully for a long time. Quote
Seventeen Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:29 PM, BuffaninSarasota said: Indeed, take it to PPP. Plenty of room there for insane political infighting. Expand Been there done that ... No desire to get into it over in PPP - my comment was simply a response to someone getting shot after a game. Quote
Heitz Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) ^^ See it's not sports that's to blame here, it's just normal angry American society. 👍 Edited January 9, 2024 by Heitz 1 Quote
Beast Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 3:18 PM, DC Greg said: Plus they have a stand your ground law in place. Since there was a confrontation before the murder, the killer would have a path to try to get off saying that he "felt threatened" by someone touching his vehicle. Would be interesting to see if that defense worked. But since he fled the scene, he probably would have more trouble claiming stand your ground. Expand You don’t have a defense for murder when someone is touching your vehicle. Cripes. 1 Quote
Your Brown Eye Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 2:36 PM, DeltaDigital said: second fan miami fans murdered this year. what a classy organization. Expand has it been confirmed that the shooter was an angry Dolphins fan? Quote
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 4:05 PM, Seventeen said: Been there done that ... No desire to get into it over in PPP - my comment was simply a response to someone getting shot after a game. Expand Understood, my comment was in reply to @WhitewalkerInPhilly It's tragic and senseless and could have happened anywhere, that was my point. 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted January 9, 2024 Posted January 9, 2024 What is wrong with people. This happened after New England at Dallas in 2015. Guy got into an argument, went to his car and came back and shot and killed another fan. Considering the manner in which fans talk to each other on social media I am surprised it doesn't happen more however. I was embarrassed from the stuff I saw from the bills fans online last week and after the game. Rooting for your team does not mean stalking other teams fans and attacking them for everything they say. Its crazy. People should be able to leave the damn house and enjoy themselves without the threat of being shot. Quote
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