Italian Bills Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) Allen was harassed lot of times, they were without their two best pass rushers, so don’t you think that our OL played poorly ? The DL also didn’t play its best game, Tua was never pressured and no sacks. Do you agree ? Just a single case, or we have to start worrying about ? Edited January 8 by Italian Bills 3 1 2 Quote
BuffaloBill Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Miami all out blitzed frequently. I don’t think the entire oline is to blame. The rookie Torrence had a bad game for sure. 1 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I think this oline has been vastly overrated, at least by some of the metrics that say they've been a top unit in both pass/run blocking. And what should give all bills fans pause heading into the playoffs is how they've performed against top defenses in recent weeks (i.e. Patriots, Chiefs, etc). Miami dominated as well and were pretty much a practice squad unit last night. Just not sure how what's going on. One thing I will say is it might be time to sit Torrance, he showed a lot of promise early on but unfortunately seems to have been progressively worse as the season has went on and will be a major liability in the postseason especially in a potential divisional round game against Chris Jones and the Chiefs. So if I'm McD, I'd roll with Bates and or Edwards in the playoffs or have a very short leash on the rookie. Regarding the dline, I'm not really concerned there despite not registering any sacks last night. They've been a bright spot in recent weeks and we'll see what they do against a Steelers oline unit that is definitely playing their best football of the season, and might be best oline in the entire league right now heading into the postseason. 3 1 1 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Blitz pickup was bad to start but they adjusted. Run defense struggled but they had a great 2nd half. No sacks but Tua gets the ball out insanely fast. Our OL and DL is pretty good. 2 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Miami brought a ton of pressure. More bodies than we can block many times. You beat it with Diggs deep ball and Kincaid getting open quickly. 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Miami all out blitzed frequently. I don’t think the entire oline is to blame. The rookie Torrence had a bad game for sure. You can only block but so many, Allen has to know who is hot. Sometimes he made good plays under those situations, other times he tried to do the fade back and wait hoping he could hit something big but made poor plays. I mean they rolled up almost 500 yard of offense and if they make 2 easy wide open plays to Cook dropping a TD Ronnie Harmon style and 89 yards to Diggs who had like 8 yards on Ramsey for a wide open TD it would have been more like 600 yards. Edited January 8 by Big Turk 4 2 Quote
Green Lightning Posted January 8 Posted January 8 We need a Center. This oline can't get you a yard when you need it. Morse is smart but gets bull rushed easily. He cannot handle talented DTs. Start at Center and see what happens. 2 2 Quote
Italian Bills Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 (edited) If our OL can not protect Allen more, giving him time to read and throw, then maybe is better to play faster plays, like slants, short curl, etc… i mean throws for 5 to 6 yards and then work with the run, Cook, Lenny and Ty. And when the OL give Josh more time, then yes look for the big play. Edited January 8 by Italian Bills Quote
scuba guy Posted January 8 Posted January 8 When you bring 6 pass rushers and you have 5 to block 🚫 it is just a numbers game and a division opponent sees you all to often not to realize that. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Lots of blitzes by Miami. Tua getting the ball out in 2 seconds flat. Easy as that. 2 4 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 8 Posted January 8 22 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: Allen was harassed lot of times, they were without their two best pass rushers, so don’t you think that our OL played poorly ? The DL also didn’t play its best game, Tua was never pressured and no sacks. Do you agree ? Just a single case, or we have to start worrying about ? I've seen a lot of people chip in that we couldn't get pressure on Tua. That's actually common for playing against him as he gets the ball out very quickly. And don't want to pin your ears back as a DL and go after him because if you do that and don't set the edge Achane pops it around the corner and to the house. At the end of the day, Buffalo held that "revolutionary" offense to 14 points in their town (albeit it's OUR stadium). Quote
colin Posted January 8 Posted January 8 miami figured out our run plays, and saw that we can't handle blitzes well, especially w pressure up the middle. on the other side, they spaced us out and used their literally record nfl team speed to get to the edge and gash us over and over again in run plays. all that said, they had 3 extra possessions and totalled under 300 yards and we were a couple plays away from being over 500. statistically we are savage beasts and horrible monsters to play. 1 Quote
Beast Posted January 8 Posted January 8 27 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: I think this oline has been vastly overrated, at least by some of the metrics that say they've been a top unit in both pass/run blocking. And what should give all bills fans pause heading into the playoffs is how they've performed against top defenses in recent weeks (i.e. Patriots, Chiefs, etc). Miami dominated as well and were pretty much a practice squad unit last night. Just not sure how what's going on. One thing I will say is it might be time to sit Torrance, he showed a lot of promise early on but unfortunately seems to have been progressively worse as the season has went on and will be a major liability in the postseason especially in a potential divisional round game against Chris Jones and the Chiefs. So if I'm McD, I'd roll with Bates and or Edwards in the playoffs or have a very short leash on the rookie. Regarding the dline, I'm not really concerned there despite not registering any sacks last night. They've been a bright spot in recent weeks and we'll see what they do against a Steelers oline unit that is definitely playing their best football of the season, and might be best oline in the entire league right now heading into the postseason. Looking forward to the Bills smashing your Chiefs. 1 1 Quote
Italian Bills Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I've seen a lot of people chip in that we couldn't get pressure on Tua. That's actually common for playing against him as he gets the ball out very quickly. And don't want to pin your ears back as a DL and go after him because if you do that and don't set the edge Achane pops it around the corner and to the house. At the end of the day, Buffalo held that "revolutionary" offense to 14 points in their town (albeit it's OUR stadium). “ At the end of the day, Buffalo held that "revolutionary" offense to 14 points in their town (albeit it's OUR stadium).“ Without Moster and Waddle, let’s not dorget that. But yes, 14 points are very few. 1 Quote
SCBills Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) The OL could certainly have been better, but some of it has seemed on Allen lately.. He's not hitting the deep shot and teams aren't respecting it as much. And when they heat him up with the blitz, he's not getting the ball out and/or getting routes that open quick enough. As far as our DL goes, setting the edge was hyper critical against the Miami run game after they gashed us early and when Tua dropped back to pass, he had the ball out quick enough to where a free rusher doesn't even have time to get to him. Edited January 8 by SCBills Quote
Big Turk Posted January 8 Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: If our OL can not protect Allen more, giving him time to read and throw, then maybe is better to play faster plays, like slants, short curl, etc… i mean throws for 5 to 6 yards and then work with the run, Cook, Lenny and Ty. And when the OL give Josh more time, then yes look for the big play. Allen buys time pretty well. Nobody is protecting the QB when they bring 7 and you only have 6 to block Quote
Italian Bills Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Allen buys time pretty well. Nobody is protecting the QB when they bring 7 and you only have 6 to block So your solution what could be ? The one that i said ? More quick plays ? Quote
Simon Posted January 8 Posted January 8 17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Lots of blitzes by Miami. Tua getting the ball out in 2 seconds flat. Easy as that. I would only add that it took some time for the D-front to get their gap responsibilities and run fits squared away against all the counters and misdirection they don't see that often. 1 Quote
RobbRiddick Posted January 8 Posted January 8 40 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: I think this oline has been vastly overrated, at least by some of the metrics that say they've been a top unit in both pass/run blocking. And what should give all bills fans pause heading into the playoffs is how they've performed against top defenses in recent weeks (i.e. Patriots, Chiefs, etc). Miami dominated as well and were pretty much a practice squad unit last night. Just not sure how what's going on. One thing I will say is it might be time to sit Torrance, he showed a lot of promise early on but unfortunately seems to have been progressively worse as the season has went on and will be a major liability in the postseason especially in a potential divisional round game against Chris Jones and the Chiefs. So if I'm McD, I'd roll with Bates and or Edwards in the playoffs or have a very short leash on the rookie. Regarding the dline, I'm not really concerned there despite not registering any sacks last night. They've been a bright spot in recent weeks and we'll see what they do against a Steelers oline unit that is definitely playing their best football of the season, and might be best oline in the entire league right now heading into the postseason. Hey bud, do you need an inflatable donut to sit on after seeing your beloved mammals getting their blow holes reamed last night? 3 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Simon said: I would only add that it took some time for the D-front to get their gap responsibilities and run fits squared away against all the counters and misdirection they don't see that often. In the run game, absolutely. Not sure why we werent ready for exactly what Miami showed us against the Ravens but whatevs. Good halftime adjustments got it squared away. But as to why no sacks no pressures, I mean, we tried, but the ball was out before our DEs even engaged the OTs. Poor Leonard Floyd. Barely missed out on $2M. Quote
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