Einstein Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Before Gabe was hurt Allen: 4/8 (50%), 67 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT AFTER Gabe left the game Allen: 26/30 (87%), 360 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT Did you know? Over the past two seasons, a little under 40% of Allen's interceptions occur when targeting Gabe Davis? Yet, Davis is not targeting very much... 15.2% of the targets, and 38% of the INT's. And no, I am not saying that Gabe Davis is the sole reason of blame for our offensive failures. Not at all. But for whatever reason, he and Allen are NOT on the same page, and it doesn't seem to be getting better. 23 16 11 Quote
UConn James Posted January 8 Posted January 8 When he went down, I’m a bit chagrined to admit that I kinda cheered. Will have one fabulous game and then the next eight Josh might as well be throwing to Mr. Magoo. No separation, no fight for the ball, running the wrong route / making the wrong break. On Josh’s first INT, Gabe was the target and he was 10 yards away from the ball after cutting inside when Josh was expecting outside / toward sideline. They are absolutely not in sync. Someone else can pay him in the off-season and get him TF out of here. 2 6 1 Quote
VaMilBill Posted January 8 Posted January 8 The amount of miscommunications between Gabe and Josh has been alarming this year. It straight up cost us the game in Philly and impacted other games big time. Gabe gots to go 2 7 1 Quote
FireChans Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Is this like your fourth topic in a hour @Einstein? How hyped up are you? 1 4 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I don't know why it keeps happening, but at the end of the day they aren't on the same page and haven't been for 2 years. It leads to INTs and wasted plays. A meh #2 WR that doesn't kill you with turnovers would be an improvement IMO. Not going to miss Davis next year. 3 1 2 Quote
Einstein Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: The amount of miscommunications between Gabe and Josh has been alarming this year. It straight up cost us the game in Philly and impacted other games big time. Gabe gots to go Not just this year, to be honest. Allen threw a higher % of his INT’s to Gabe even last season! Something just isn’t clicking between them. Edited January 8 by Einstein 1 Quote
Warcodered Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Whatever Gabe's role is in the offense it involves too much communication/being on the same page with Josh and they just aren't like that this year. 3 Quote
Einstein Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Is this like your fourth topic in a hour @Einstein? How hyped up are you? You’re right. I’m sorry. This will be my last one. I am a bit hyped. Go Bills! 2 2 1 Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 8 Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, Einstein said: Before Gabe was hurt Allen: 4/8 (50%), 67 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT AFTER Gabe left the game Allen: 26/30 (87%), 360 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT Did you know? Over the past two seasons, a little under 40% of Allen's interceptions occur when targeting Gabe Davis? Yet, Davis is not targeting very much... 15.2% of the targets, and 38% of the INT's. And no, I am not saying that Gabe Davis is the sole reason of blame for our offensive failures. Not at all. But for whatever reason, he and Allen are NOT on the same page, and it doesn't seem to be getting better. He was to blame for a pick AGAIn tonight any REAL #2 catches a TD on that pass Quote
DapperCam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Einstein said: Not just this year, to be honest. Allen threw a higher % of his INT’s to Gabe even last season! Something just isn’t clicking between them. I'm reminded of the Vikings OT interception where Allen expected Davis to cut across the goal line, but instead Davis lazily drifted into the end zone past the DB (which would have been a literally impossible throw to make). Peterson makes the INT and the rest is history. 2 2 Quote
Since1981 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 15 minutes ago, Einstein said: 40% of Allen's interceptions occur when targeting Gabe Davis? Many INT have Gabe nearby. I think it’s time to leverage others Quote
Locomark Posted January 8 Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Einstein said: Before Gabe was hurt Allen: 4/8 (50%), 67 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT AFTER Gabe left the game Allen: 26/30 (87%), 360 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT Did you know? Over the past two seasons, a little under 40% of Allen's interceptions occur when targeting Gabe Davis? Yet, Davis is not targeting very much... 15.2% of the targets, and 38% of the INT's. And no, I am not saying that Gabe Davis is the sole reason of blame for our offensive failures. Not at all. But for whatever reason, he and Allen are NOT on the same page, and it doesn't seem to be getting better. I have been saying it over and over… it’s not just being on different pages. Gabe runs “banana” out routes that are easily read by DBs. He has a very limited skill set yet was seeing the field mainly because Sherfield was likely viewed as crappy and not as effective blocking. He also seems to not be effective option routes or blitz reads outside of his basic red zone slants. Today his awful read in a blitz to try a double move which had no time to happen was directly responsible for pick 1. 1 1 Quote
Bangarang Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Round 1 will hopefully be a WR. Don’t pay Gabe. 1 9 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: The amount of miscommunications between Gabe and Josh has been alarming this year. It straight up cost us the game in Philly and impacted other games big time. Gabe gots to go I’d like to hear from one of our X’s and O’s guys - the first INT was obviously a choice route and Allen and Gabe were on different pages. I’m thinking Gabe chose correctly (based on coverage). Anyone? I know @HoofHearted on a miscue in an earlier game, confirmed Gabe read it correctly though Joe Brady was very diplomatic and took the blame on himself, pointing out that Allen was under duress and had very short time to decide (in that instance) Anyway, the point is - not to interfere with your feelings on Gabe, and I think there are reasons to question whether we should pay him or not. But if Allen is the one who is throwing to the wrong spot based on an option route and the coverage, getting rid of Gabe won’t help. Allen has to be better and make better decisions. Edited January 8 by Beck Water Quote
DapperCam Posted January 8 Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I’d like to hear from one of our X’s and O’s guys - the first INT was obviously a choice route and Allen and Gabe were on different pages. I’m thinking Gabe chose correctly (based on coverage). Anyone? I know @HoofHearted on a miscue in an earlier game, confirmed Gabe read it correctly though Joe Brady was very diplomatic and took the blame on himself, pointing out that Allen was under duress and had very short time to decide (in that instance) Anyway, the point is - not to interfere with your feelings on Gabe, and I think there are reasons to question whether we should pay him or not. But if Allen is the one who is throwing to the wrong spot based on an option route and the coverage, getting rid of Gabe won’t help. Allen has to be better and make better decisions. But it only happens with Davis. I can't remember an instance of a miscommunication with Diggs on an option route, and Diggs is targeted way more. I'm thinking there is situational awareness carved out where the WR need to know when an all out blitz is happening and keep their head turned around. 2 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Anyway, the point is - not to interfere with your feelings on Gabe, but if Allen is the one who is throwing to the wrong spot based on an option route and the coverage, getting rid of Gabe won’t help. Allen has to be better and make better decisions. It doesn’t happen often with the other receivers, so the choices are: A) Gabe is wrong more often than the other receivers. B) Josh is wrong with everyone but the other receivers know their QB and what he will see (chemistry). C) Josh saves most the times to be wrong for when he targets Gabe (highly doubtful). Regardless of the reasoning, Gabe is target on nearly 40% of the interceptions but with only 15% of the targets. Which means the other 85% of targets account for far less turnovers per target. So I disagree with your point that losing Gabe wouldn’t help. It sure didn’t hurt tonight. 1 1 1 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Gabe is going to get 15-20 million a year from someone in free agency only for that team to realize two years later it was a mistake. 1 2 Quote
Simon Posted January 8 Posted January 8 34 minutes ago, FireChans said: Is this like your fourth topic in a hour @Einstein? How hyped up are you? Are you seriously giving somebody ***** for over posting?! When they've all been viable topics? For real? <fingers twitch toward banhammer......> 3 6 Quote
FireChans Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Simon said: Are you seriously giving somebody ***** for over posting?! When they've all been viable topics? For real? <fingers twitch toward banhammer......> That was not meant to be admonishing, I could just feel the hyped up energy after a big win lol. 3 Quote
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