HappyDays Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. This is a genuine question. Torrence has been the clear weak link on the Bills offense in recent weeks. He's getting beat inside off the snap at a frighteningly high rate. He's making mental mistakes that allow free rushers up the middle. It's no blight on him as a draft pick if we bench him. It's known that OL players in particular take time to develop, and with his body type it would not be a surprise at all if he's hit the rookie wall playing 100% of the snaps this season. And there's still 4 (hopefully) games to go... I just don't know if we can live with Torrence's mistakes in a playoff run that looks like it will be a true gauntlet. We have steady vets in David Edwards and Ryan Bates waiting in the wings. I think the coaching staff should seriously consider making a change now before it's too late. 5 5 1 6 1 2 1 1 Quote
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 8 Posted January 8 It's a fair question, but no I don't think you take a link out of a unit that's gelled for an entire season and put someone in cold off the bench. 10 10 1 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Interesting take Chubbs. I think if Torrence is healthy, he plays. If not,don't know if Rick Bates or Edwards would get the start in his place. If they want to save Bates to back up Morse, it could be Edwards. Quote
FireChans Posted January 8 Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. This is a genuine question. Torrence has been the clear weak link on the Bills offense in recent weeks. He's getting beat inside off the snap at a frighteningly high rate. He's making mental mistakes that allow free rushers up the middle. It's no blight on him as a draft pick if we bench him. It's known that OL players in particular take time to develop, and with his body type it would not be a surprise at all if he's hit the rookie wall playing 100% of the snaps this season. And there's still 4 (hopefully) games to go... I just don't know if we can live with Torrence's mistakes in a playoff run that looks like it will be a true gauntlet. We have steady vets in David Edwards and Ryan Bates waiting in the wings. I think the coaching staff should seriously consider making a change now before it's too late. I think he has been not so good, including tonight, but the way the unit has been all season, you can’t bench him. 1 Quote
Saxum Posted January 8 Posted January 8 It can be due to a long season he is not used to. I think he should be active but backup. 3 Quote
bobobonators Posted January 8 Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. This is a genuine question. Torrence has been the clear weak link on the Bills offense in recent weeks. He's getting beat inside off the snap at a frighteningly high rate. He's making mental mistakes that allow free rushers up the middle. It's no blight on him as a draft pick if we bench him. It's known that OL players in particular take time to develop, and with his body type it would not be a surprise at all if he's hit the rookie wall playing 100% of the snaps this season. And there's still 4 (hopefully) games to go... I just don't know if we can live with Torrence's mistakes in a playoff run that looks like it will be a true gauntlet. We have steady vets in David Edwards and Ryan Bates waiting in the wings. I think the coaching staff should seriously consider making a change now before it's too late. No way. Quote
HappyDays Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: It's a fair question, but no I don't think you take a link out of a unit that's gelled for an entire season and put someone in cold off the bench. I don't expect it to be a popular suggestion. Personally I think Torrence's reputation on here exceeds his play. I think early season returns gave everyone a lot of optimism that has not been borne out over the back half of the season. He has a long way to go to cement his spot as a long term starter. That being said the one argument against it that makes sense to me is what you said - do you risk tearing apart the cohesion that's been built over several months of all 5 starters being the same? That is a legitimate concern. 4 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I honestly give all rookies a bit of a pass at this point in the NFL season. The professional year has to be utterly exhausting for them. They’re not used to playing anywhere near this number of games. 1 2 Quote
Wayne Arnold Posted January 8 Posted January 8 No, he's a stud who's made some rookie mistakes. He'll be fine. 2 2 2 Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. This is a genuine question. Torrence has been the clear weak link on the Bills offense in recent weeks. He's getting beat inside off the snap at a frighteningly high rate. He's making mental mistakes that allow free rushers up the middle. It's no blight on him as a draft pick if we bench him. It's known that OL players in particular take time to develop, and with his body type it would not be a surprise at all if he's hit the rookie wall playing 100% of the snaps this season. And there's still 4 (hopefully) games to go... I just don't know if we can live with Torrence's mistakes in a playoff run that looks like it will be a true gauntlet. We have steady vets in David Edwards and Ryan Bates waiting in the wings. I think the coaching staff should seriously consider making a change now before it's too late. Who are you subbing in for him against Wilkins with A gap blitzes who will do better? 1 1 Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 It's not a*terrible* idea. Bates is a quality player that knows the system well and would be a fresh body after a grueling season. Edwards too 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 8 Posted January 8 At this point you dance with the girl you brought to the dance However I would have a quick trigger to letting Edwards or Bates take over 2 1 Quote
Turbo44 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 nope but you can give him help via Morse or a RB at times, whih they didn't 1 Quote
Simon Posted January 8 Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. This is a genuine question. Torrence has been the clear weak link on the Bills offense in recent weeks. He's getting beat inside off the snap at a frighteningly high rate. He's making mental mistakes that allow free rushers up the middle. It's no blight on him as a draft pick if we bench him. It's known that OL players in particular take time to develop, and with his body type it would not be a surprise at all if he's hit the rookie wall playing 100% of the snaps this season. And there's still 4 (hopefully) games to go... I just don't know if we can live with Torrence's mistakes in a playoff run that looks like it will be a true gauntlet. We have steady vets in David Edwards and Ryan Bates waiting in the wings. I think the coaching staff should seriously consider making a change now before it's too late. Tonight he cost the Bills a red zone turnover by getting beat trying to overprotect that vulnerable inside. I don't think we've seen anywhere enough of anybody else to judge whether there is an upgrade available, though. Also consider the 3-4 front we'll be facing next week. Nobody he's facing is going to beat him with speed so it may match up very well for his power game. 3 Quote
Nelius Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: No, he's a stud who's made some rookie mistakes. He'll be fine. Agreed, let him grow. It’s also almost more about the cohesive unit at this point than an individual, don’t mess with the consistency if there’s no injury. Quote
HappyDays Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I honestly give all rookies a bit of a pass at this point in the NFL season. The professional year has to be utterly exhausting for them. They’re not used to playing anywhere near this number of games. 100% agreed. I think on the whole Torrence has shown great promise, and that's all you can ask from a late 2nd round rookie offensive lineman. Still I question if repeatedly ramming him into that rookie wall over a playoff run is the right choice. Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 No. He's made mistakes but you dont mess with oline chemistry 1 Quote
Einstein Posted January 8 Posted January 8 He was bad bad today. Do we have someone better though? 1 Quote
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