See yourself out Allen haters!!!!

[thenorthremembers]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

He may screw up sometimes, but he puts his heart and soul into every game and when the game is on the line, he shines!

 

That 3rd and 13 he got to extend the drive …. NO other quarterback is getting that.

 

I will forever ride or die with Josh Allen. I don’t want ANYONE else. I wouldn’t trade him for Mahomes, Burrow, Rodgers and all of the gold in the world.

 

He's incredible.  But to call out "Allen Haters" when the really negative Allen comments come during the game day threads, based solely on immediate reactions is a bit much.      Should you "show yourself the door" for starting threads on McDermott when the guy is 30 wins over .500, has made the playoffs 6 of 7 years, and outcoached the "genius" last night?   No, you should keep posting because thats what this board is for.   To have discussion with fellow Bills' fans, to calm one another down, and to have community.  

 

I think when the dust settles pretty much everyone on this board would choose Allen over every other QB in the league.  I've routinely said he is the 2nd best QB in the league, very arguable he has become the best, and clearly the most important to his team.    Everyone should continue to have their own opinions, but I think we can all agree GO BILLS!

[CountDorkula]

You live and die with Josh Allen. 
 

I may get frustrated at times with him, and I think we all do. probably because we’ve seen what he’s capable of. Missing that long pass to Diggs when all he needs to do is put a bit of air under the throw and let Diggs run under it instead of trying to drop a dime for instance. 

As long as the live to die remains 4:1 ratio. I’m good. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

If Josh could have the next month and a half where his mistake-to-amazing play ratio drops to damned near zero, they win the title. Way too much has already been said, have to take the bad with the good. Just seems like most or all of his mistakes this year have led to turnovers, while in other years maybe there have been more dropped INT's.

 

100% this. 

[RiotAct]

I legitimately think Allen is the only QB in the league who can make that run that he did on 3rd-and-13 for the first down.

[T master]

I sometimes wonder just what Josh is seeing that he throws the ball . On the one INT the receiver was 6 yds away from where the INT happened he wasn't even close . At least if the guy was fighting for the ball or right at the point of where the ball was thrown but the opponent was the only 1 near the ball .

 

Those are the throws & the INT's that get me it's like he was throwing it to the other team on purpose . 

 

But that being said he's a Bill for ever & i'll ride with him where ever he takes the team ... GO BILLS !!! 

Edited January 8 by T master

[Roundybout]

The first pick was Davis’ fault, he’s awful on hot routes and doesn’t seem to be on the same page. 
 

Second was all on Josh, should have thrown it away 

 

Fumble was a wash for me after sleeping on it. Would have liked Josh to hang on to it better, but Wilkins obliterated Torrence and made a very very good play. 

[Royale with Cheese]

31 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  My problem i with the over the top attacks on Allen by some on 2BD.  IMO these are two entirely different things.

 

 

And Allen and the team has already played as close to a perfect game as possible - the 2021 playoff win over New England.

 

 

There are not over the attacks on Allen. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

The first pick was Davis’ fault, he’s awful on hot routes and doesn’t seem to be on the same page. 
 

Second was all on Josh, should have thrown it away 

 

Fumble was a wash for me after sleeping on it. Would have liked Josh to hang on to it better, but Wilkins obliterated Torrence and made a very very good play. 

 

The 2nd INT was on 4th down.... I'm glad our QB tried to make a play rather than just throw it away to preserve his personal stats. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

53 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Are you happy the Bills won?  Because the Bills won - FACT.

 

 

Thrilled they won.

 

Not fooling myself into believing they'll do anything of worth in the postseason if he puts together halves like the first half last night.

 

It simply CANNOT happen.

 

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There are not over the top attacks on Allen. 

 

These aren’t over the top? Bench him? Mental midget? He sucks? He’s not an asset?

 

There are dozens more examples too from within the past 24 hours.

 

[UKBillFan]

Normally, watching the game back, everything looks better - particularly after a win. Not today. The first interception was stupid. The second interception was stupid, albeit slightly more forgivable as it was akin to a punt. The play at the end of the half was boneheaded and McDermott was rightly seething on the sidelines. They were plays that college QBs would be slaughtered for, let alone someone of Josh's caliber and experience.

[Einstein]

18 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

The 2nd INT was on 4th down.... I'm glad our QB tried to make a play rather than just throw it away to preserve his personal stats. 

 

100%. And it worked out better for us (than an incompletion). Miami got the ball at the 20 instead of the 37.

 

I don’t mind criticizing mistakes but you have to consider the context. Many posters - even typically sensible ones - were acting as if Allen was throwing willynilly into double coverage. That just wasn’t the case. We had one INT where there was a miscommunication between he and Gabe and one INT that was essentially an arm punt.

 

Despite those, Allen went 30/38 with 426 yard and 2 TD’s.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

100%. And it worked out better for us (than an incompletion). Miami got the ball at the 20 instead of the 37.

 

I don’t mind criticizing mistakes but you have to consider the context. Many posters - even typically sensible ones - were acting as if Allen was throwing willynilly into double coverage. That just wasn’t the case. We had one INT where there was a miscommunication between he and Gabe and one INT that was essentially an arm punt.

 

Despite those, Allen went 30/38 with 426 yard and 2 TD’s.

 

Though, on the second interception, he had a free receiver (Kincaid?) to the left who could have easily got a first down if he threw straight away. But, as he missed him, he did the next best thing - well, other than finding a Bills player!

[pocoboy]

14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Normally, watching the game back, everything looks better - particularly after a win. Not today. The first interception was stupid.

 

The stupid part is that they have gotten to this point in Gabe Davis's career without him and Allen being able to make a sight adjust on an all out blitz. This shouldn't be happening. You would have thought the solution would come after it reared its head in the Iggles loss. It wouldn't surprise me if Fangio shaded coverage to the side opposite Davis knowing that this kind of thing could result.

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Though, on the second interception, he had a free receiver (Kincaid?) to the left who could have easily got a first down if he threw straight away. But, as he missed him, he did the next best thing - well, other than finding a Bills player!

 

I'm much more likely to fault Allen for the 2nd one for that reason alone. The first one he either unloads or he eats it for the sack, the line was bunk. That one, he had a read and he seemed to ignore it. But that's his game, you get some astonishingly brilliant plays on the extension, and occasionally you'll get the moment where he has to chuck and duck.

Edited January 8 by pocoboy

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, pocoboy said:

 

The stupid part is that they have gotten to this point in Gabe Davis's career without him and Allen being able to make a sight adjust on an all out blitz. This shouldn't be happening. You would have thought the solution would come after it reared its head in the Iggles loss. It wouldn't surprise me if Fangio shaded coverage to the side opposite Davis knowing that this kind of thing could result.

 

I'm not sure if it's just me but the communication between Josh and Davis seems worse this year to before? Similar can be said with the long throws, for the most part, to Diggs but I think that's down to both Josh and Diggs carrying slight injuries affecting arm strength and speed.

[Einstein]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Though, on the second interception, he had a free receiver (Kincaid?) to the left who could have easily got a first down if he threw straight away. 

 

I’m honestly not sure Kincaid gets that first down at the point of time Allen was looking at him, and I think that’s why Allen didn’t throw to him. Allen looked right at him and saw the defender closing in on him and probably felt it would be a bang-bang play at the LOS. 

 

This is when Allen was looking at Kincaid:

 

 

Maybe he does get it, but we are really bad at those boundary passes and catches, and if Kincaid does get blown up, Miami has the ball near the 40. Im guessing that Allen is looking at the defender closing in and decides it’s a risk to release it.

 

AFTER Allen moves past his Kincaid read and onto other progressions, is when the Miami defender gets caught up in the pick (momentarily). That’s when Collinsworth focused on. But he didn’t mention the fact that Allen was onto his other reads when the defender was more out of the picture.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

I’m honestly not sure Kincaid gets that first down at the point of time Allen was looking at him, and I think that’s why Allen didn’t throw to him. Allen looked right at him and saw the defender closing in on him and probably felt it would be a bang-bang play at the LOS. 

 

This is when Allen was looking at Kincaid:

 

 

Maybe he does get it, but we are really bad at those boundary passes and catches, and if Kincaid does get blown up, Miami has the ball near the 40. Im guessing that Allen is looking at the defender closing in and decides it’s a risk to release it.

 

AFTER Allen moves past his Kincaid read and onto other progressions, is when the Miami defender gets caught up in the pick (momentarily). That’s when Collinsworth focused on. But he didn’t mention the fact that Allen was onto his other reads when the defender was more out of the picture.

 

 

 

That's fair enough, looking at it from that shot. Fading one to the end zone and letting it land wherever makes more sense than risking that. Shame the defensive player didn't stumble a moment earlier!

 

I'm onto the fourth quarter. Thought the fumble wasn't Josh's fault at the time and watching on repeat back it up. Was a great play by Wilkins, but Josh tried to get the ball as close to his body as he could. Morse needed to switch to support Torrence in that situation, but perhaps that's hindsight.

[Royale with Cheese]

26 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

These aren’t over the top? Bench him? Mental midget? He sucks? He’s not an asset?

 

There are dozens more examples too from within the past 24 hours.

 

 

I didn't see these but is this any different than the:

• Terrell Bernard is a wasted pick
• AJ Epenesa isn't even a good back up
• James Cook isn't an every down back
• Sean McDermott is the worst coach in the NFL
• Brandon Beane can't draft
• Ed Oliver is a bust
• Spencer Brown is the worst offensive lineman in the league
• Stefon Diggs is a sharp and steep decline.

Here is what's funny to me.  If someone created a "See yourself out McDermott haters"....you wouldn't be defending McDermott.

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m honestly not sure Kincaid gets that first down at the point of time Allen was looking at him, and I think that’s why Allen didn’t throw to him. Allen looked right at him and saw the defender closing in on him and probably felt it would be a bang-bang play at the LOS. 

 

This is when Allen was looking at Kincaid:

 

 

Maybe he does get it, but we are really bad at those boundary passes and catches, and if Kincaid does get blown up, Miami has the ball near the 40. Im guessing that Allen is looking at the defender closing in and decides it’s a risk to release it.

 

AFTER Allen moves past his Kincaid read and onto other progressions, is when the Miami defender gets caught up in the pick (momentarily). That’s when Collinsworth focused on. But he didn’t mention the fact that Allen was onto his other reads when the defender was more out of the picture.

 

 

 

The throw was there.  You're looking at a still shot of Allen looking his way and not in throwing motion....means he's already too late.

If he gets it out quickly and hits Kincaid in stride, he gets that first down easily.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I didn't see these but is this any different than the:

• Terrell Bernard is a wasted pick
• AJ Epenesa isn't even a good back up
• James Cook isn't an every down back
• Sean McDermott is the worst coach in the NFL
• Brandon Beane can't draft
• Ed Oliver is a bust
• Spencer Brown is the worst offensive lineman in the league
• Stefon Diggs is a sharp and steep decline.

 

The existence of other over-the-top posts do not negate the over-the-top posts on Allen. You claimed we do not have those posts with Allen, but we very much do. Disgusting posts about a QB who puts it all on the field for us.

 

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Here is what's funny to me.  If someone created a "See yourself out McDermott haters"....you wouldn't be defending McDermott.

 

Yes I would.

 

I have never said McDermott is a bad coach or an idiot. I have however said that I think we have reached our ceiling with him (AFCCG) and he tends to make bad decisions in-game. Decisions that should be fairly simple to know not to do (like not calling timeout when your opponent is scrambling onto the field to win the game and has no timeouts). And it’s not like he had numerous blitzers in his face and split seconds to decide when he is making these decisions (like Allen does). He has a full set of coordinators and coaches to advise him, a headset to talk with a game strategist, and 25+ seconds (the play clock) to decide.

That being said, I have come around on McD. I was highly impressed with how the team rallied around him after the Dunne article - it showed he didn’t lose the locker room and if the players are behind him, so am I.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The existence of other over-the-top posts do not negate the over-the-top posts on Allen. You claimed we do not have those posts with Allen, but we very much do. Disgusting posts about a QB who puts it all on the field for us.

 

 

Yes I would.

 

I have never said McDermott is a bad coach or an idiot. I have however said that I think we have reached our ceiling with him (AFCCG) and he tends to make bad decisions in-game. Decisions that should be fairly simple to know not to do (like not calling timeout when your opponent is scrambling onto the field to win the game and has no timeouts). And it’s not like he had numerous blitzers in his face and split seconds to decide when he is making these decisions (like Allen does). He has a full set of coordinators and coaches to advise him, a headset to talk with a game strategist, and 25+ seconds (the play clock) to decide.

That being said, I have come around on McD. I was highly impressed with how the team rallied around him after the Dunne article - it showed he didn’t lose the locker room and if the players are behind him, so am I.

 

I didn't say it negated it.  

Allen does put it all on the field for us...but so do a lot of players.  Are the over the top posts disgusting for other players or does that only apply to Allen?

There seems to be the 3 over the top Allen posts.  

 

Have you seen the Epenesa, Ed Oliver or Terrell Bernard over the top threads?  Do you think there's just 3 people with criticisms?

 

Your criticisms about McDermott are fair but so are most other peoples criticisms of Allen.  Allen is allowed to be criticized.