Why is Diggs coming off the field on Third Downs?

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

But then why is he playing some unimportant plays but coming out crucial third downs in must win games?  Why are they throwing screen passes to him that all but ensure he's getting hit?

To the first half: because they believe converting a second down also avoids punting the ball? Because he can handle a few snaps before the issue flairs up a bit and it’s not 100% predictable? 
 

To the latter: because he sees a lot of attention and they still want to scheme ways to get him the ball in space? 
 

in my opinion the above all seems more likely than “stef is mad so the bills are benching him at key moments to knock him down a peg and he’s taking it with a smile” 

[Don Otreply]

14 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

I think it's moreso Diggs taking himself out of the game than the coaching staff purposely replacing him at pivital spots in the game.

 

Why is he taking himself out? That's the question that should be asked.

Dudes nursing an injury, 

[zow2]

Diggs has had some dumb drops this year... not all killers because I think on a few he would've been tackled immediately for a short or no gain.  But it's definitely been a weird year for him.  I assume he is playing injured more than we know.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

If Diggs was injured he would not have lined up at RB and taken a carry near the goal line last week

 

IMO

 

And if there was some coaching conspiracy to keep the ball away from him, they wouldnt be force feeding as a RB after they saw the D take him away in the passing game.

[1onemangang7]

Just now, zow2 said:

Diggs has had some dumb drops this year... not all killers because I think on a few he would've been tackled immediately for a short or no gain.  But it's definitely been a weird year for him.  I assume he is playing injured more than we know.

Drops have been a league wide theme. Nobody better skilled at it than KC. Nobody thinks they'll make a wave.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And if there was some coaching conspiracy to keep the ball away from him, they wouldnt be force feeding as a RB after they saw the D take him away in the passing game.

 

I don't think there is a coaching conspiracy to keep the ball away from him. 

 

I also don't think there's an injury conspiracy where he's too banged up to be on the field as often as he used to be.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Having Shefield out there more than Diggs (if Diggs isn't injured) is concerning since Sherfield is hot TRASH! 

 

I mean, why Sherfield over Shakir????  I was screaming at McD through my TV to "GET THAT MOTHER ***** OFF THE FIELD!!!!"

[LeviF]

There doesn’t need to be a violation of league policy for him to be nursing an injury and it not being reported. 
 

“A reportable injury is considered any injury that causes a player to miss a game, prevents them from finishing a game, or prevents them from completing their normal practice workload.“

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

I don't think there is a coaching conspiracy to keep the ball away from him. 

 

I also don't think there's an injury conspiracy where he's too banged up to be on the field as often as he used to be.

 

Wasnt directing my comment at you as much as building off the post about the running play in the topic of the thread.

 

That said, it isnt a big conspiracy or that uncommon for some minor yet nagging injuries to go unreported across the league. Diggs has been injured ever since he was illegally suplexed by Sauce Gardner, and then it happening again the next week.

 

 

Edited January 5 by DrDawkinstein

[Logic]

[vtnatefootball11]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What are the numbers on this that prove it? What are his snaps and target numbers?

 

Watch the film and read the athletic article, I don't have time to pull together the statistics.  McCourty highlights some of the intermediate routes where Diggs is wide open and Josh doesn't even look his way. I'm not suggesting some childish conspiracy on the bills part to not get the Diggs the ball, but clearly something is off between him and Allen, and the Bills are intentionally using him in less significant ways, and intentionally designing him off the field on third downs even when he isn't calling to be tapped out.  Something has been going on in recent weeks, it's obvious if you don't have the blinders on. And no don't tell me this is all just part of  huge injury conspiracy scheme to hid an injury and risk fines/draft picks when they easily just could report it as they have with all other players every year. Even if, everyone has nagging injuries, it's something more than that.

Edited January 5 by vtnatefootball11

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

What the film and read the athletic article, I don't have time to pull together the statistics.  McCourty highlights some of the intermediate routes where Diggs is wide open and Josh doesn't even look his way. I'm not suggesting some childish conspiracy on the bills part to not get the Diggs the ball, but clearly something is off between him and Allen, and the Bills are intentionally using him in less significant ways, and intentionally designing him off the field on third downs even when he isn't calling to be tapped out.  Something has been going on in recent weeks, it's obvious if you don't have the blinders on. And no don't tell me this is all just part of  huge injury conspiracy scheme to hid a nagging back injury and risk fines/draft picks when they easily just could report it as they have with all other players every year. 

 

Ok, so no numbers handy means nothing has really been "proven". You are just buying into the assumptions and perceptions of some talking heads looking for clicks. Got it.

 

And to the bold, it isnt a big conspiracy. It's literally how the NFL works. Nagging injuries that dont cause missed time dont need to be reported.

 

You are making way more of this than there is.

[vtnatefootball11]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

To the first half: because they believe converting a second down also avoids punting the ball? Because he can handle a few snaps before the issue flairs up a bit and it’s not 100% predictable? 
 

To the latter: because he sees a lot of attention and they still want to scheme ways to get him the ball in space? 
 

in my opinion the above all seems more likely than “stef is mad so the bills are benching him at key moments to knock him down a peg and he’s taking it with a smile” 

 

That's a stretch to your first part. To your second it still wouldn't make sense if he is truly hurt.  Nobody is suggesting that "Stef is mad so Bills are benching him".  In fact, Stef may be good and just saying he's tied of carrying the load and is only gonna do minimal effort until playoffs and Bills are trying to get other guys opportunities to grow, who knows, could be a hundred different things. We are just asking the question, why is he intentionally being schemed out by the Bills on crucial downs? What the heck is going on?  We won't know the real reason until season ends likely, but something is up.

Edited January 5 by vtnatefootball11

[wjag]

I heard an interview that makes a ton of sense to me.  Greg Cosell was on Colin Cowherd show.

 

I think we can all agree that the middle of the OLINE has been struggling of late.  

 

Greg thinks that Allen leaves the pocket too soon and Diggs double moves take more time to set up.  So Allen is in scramble drill which is killing the Diggs routes.

 

Now why Diggs is coming out, I strongly suspect they need him for the playoffs and like all players, he is nursing aches and pains.  

[Charles Romes]

9 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Having Shefield out there more than Diggs (if Diggs isn't injured) is concerning since Sherfield is hot TRASH! 

 

I mean, why Sherfield over Shakir????  I was screaming at McD through my TV to "GET THAT MOTHER ***** OFF THE FIELD!!!!"

defenses don’t even cover him, Joe Marino showed how Allen’s Pats interception occurred when the safety declined to be moved by sherfields route.  In the Philly game. He was totally mugged but so disrespected by the refs no flag came. 

 

[vtnatefootball11]

 

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Ok, so no numbers handy means nothing has really been "proven". You are just buying into the assumptions and perceptions of some talking heads looking for clicks. Got it.

 

And to the bold, it isnt a big conspiracy. It's literally how the NFL works. Nagging injuries that dont cause missed time dont need to be reported.

 

You are making way more of this than there is.

 

Then why are the Bills reporting Allen's shoulder? Why did the report Diggs back a few weeks back? 

And by "proven" I meant the Bills coaching staff has said the exact opposite, and confirmed they schemed him out intentional not because he was asking or injury. I should have said "directly contradicted" rather than "proven" I'll give you that. But there is plenty of film of Allen not throwing his way when he is open on intermediate routes which has never happened in the past, he was always the first look. They could just be not trying to be so Diggs heavy on the first read, who knows. I'm not suggesting anything crazy, just asking the questions why he is being schemed out on crucial downs?  An injury explanation doesn't add up, period. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

That's a stretch to your first part. To your second it still wouldn't make sense if he is truly hurt.  Nobody is suggesting that "Stef is mad so Bills are benching him".  In fact, Stef may be good and just saying he's tied of carrying the load and is only gonna do minimal effort until playoffs and Bills are trying to get other guys opportunities to grow, who knows, could be a hundred different things. We are just asking the question, why is he intentionally being schemed out by the Bills on crucial downs? What the heck is going on?  We won't know the real reason until season ends likely, but something is up.

 

Ok, fair enough, you're just asking questions.

 

Here are your answers:

 

He isnt being schemed out. As a matter of fact the Bills are finding new ways to force the ball to him even if it means lining him up at RB.

 

He isnt being taken out by coaches. He comes out on his own for breathers, and even more so now that he is nursing a lingering back/ribs injury from being illegally suplexed two weeks in a row.

 

There is no conspiracy there because such injuries are common and not required to be reported if he isnt missing any time.

 

Stef doesnt have the words "minimal effort" in his vocabulary. Please dont ever insult the best competitor we have on our team like that ever again.

 

Go Bills.

[BCAS Baritone]

14 minutes ago, LeviF said:

There doesn’t need to be a violation of league policy for him to be nursing an injury and it not being reported. 
 

“A reportable injury is considered any injury that causes a player to miss a game, prevents them from finishing a game, or prevents them from completing their normal practice workload.“

There have been plenty of times when a guy plays all year and gets surgery a week after the season ends.  Then they mention it has been bothering him all year.  Kair Elam was not on injury reports before being put on IR - they said the ankle was bothering him all season, not that it just suddenly happened in his last game.

[SoonerBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

I want to believe the injury thing but then why aren't the Bills going along with a scheme to hid his injury and not report it? That would be stupid and would make no sense.  They report nagging injuries all the time, including Josh's shoulder and whatnot (that would be the one to hide if any).  I don't buy the injury thing. I think you're naive if you don't think there is anything going on behind the scenes. Don't know exactly what it is but something is up. 

I don't buy injury at all or as like you said the Bills have to report it.

 

 

[Wraith]

Literally just saw this on Twitter....

 

Edited January 5 by Wraith