Have the Bills drawn many pass interference calls?

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, fan_in_tx said:

He wouldn't have gotten the flag... Just like he didn't get any flags in Philly game on obvious holds and the missed call on the Gabe Davis facemask pulling in the endzone (was that philly as well?)

 

shoot, if flags aren’t thrown in one situation they will never be thrown again?!?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 1/3/2024 at 11:43 PM, NoSaint said:

I can’t say our wr group is particularly fast/agile causing guys to grab to avoid being beat or great at creating the right contact in contested catches

 

to the latter id be curious how they coach them on coming back to the ball etc… as drawing the call is a bit of technique too 

 

I feel like every time sherfield is targeted down the field, he is interfered with and they don't call anything.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 1/4/2024 at 1:30 AM, Billy Claude said:

 

Based on the data, the DPI only happens very rarely, 

 

KC is the beneficiary of DPI 6 times this year and only 3 times last year (last in league).  Just to extend the data further back, in 2020 KC was called for DPI 17 times (#3) and beneficiary 4 times (T30) for a net of -13, while in 2021 KC was called for DPI 13 times (#3) and beneficiary 6 times (T27) for a net of -7.

 

 

 

 

There are like 3 defenses that hold constantly that are always on TV - KC, Philly, and SF.  They complain the most on all the calls too.  Slay, sneed, ward probably hold on almost every play.  Both of the guys on the Jets are pretty obnoxious with their holding too.  

[Warriorspikes51]

our players don't seem interested in trying to fight for the ball and draw flags 

[Billy Claude]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

There are like 3 defenses that hold constantly that are always on TV - KC, Philly, and SF.  They complain the most on all the calls too.  Slay, sneed, ward probably hold on almost every play.  Both of the guys on the Jets are pretty obnoxious with their holding too.  

 

I took a quick look at the states  KC has a net negative for DPI but they are by far the largest beneficiary of defensive holding.   I assume most of those are on passing plays.  Not sure how holding on special teams counts.

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Billy Claude said:

 

I took a quick look at the states  KC has a net negative for DPI but they are by far the largest beneficiary of defensive holding.   I assume most of those are on passing plays.  Not sure how holding on special teams counts.

 

 

 

They have a ton of speed at WR, and an absolute wagon of a TE.  Those types of players are always going to draw holds.  They also have a solid offensive line, which allows mahomes to spend more time in the pocket where defensive holding occurs.  

[GunnerBill]

On 1/4/2024 at 6:09 AM, Billy Claude said:

 

Your impression was not wrong.  The Bills are the worst team in the NFL at drawing pass interference this season.   They have drawn three pass interference calls this season which is tied for 31st with New Orleans  They are 24th in yards gain from DPI calls. San Francisco (4),  Philadelphia (5), and Miami (5), have also drawn very few pass interference calls.  The top teams drawing DPI were Jacksonville (18) and Dallas (15).  The average was 8.19 DPI per team.

 

The Bills have been called for pass interference 8 times, which is about league average.  Houston and Philadelphia has been called the most at 14 times, while Jacksonville has only been called for DPI once.   So Jacksonville has the best differential, an amazing +17, while Philadelphia has the worst at -7.

 

In 2022, the Bills received 8 pass interference calls (average was only 7.28 per team last year) and was called for 8 times also.  Last year Kansas City was called for pass interference the most times (15) while benefitting the least amount of times (3 times, tied with Tennessee and Chicago ) for a net of -12.

 

 https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?view=team&year=2023

 

You get DPI on deep shots mostly. And we haven't thrown that many that have been super close to connecting. That plays into that number significantly. 

6 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

They have a ton of speed at WR, and an absolute wagon of a TE.  Those types of players are always going to draw holds.  They also have a solid offensive line, which allows mahomes to spend more time in the pocket where defensive holding occurs.  

 

Their offensive line is still good G-C-G but their tackle play this year has been garbage

 

[Cash]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You get DPI on deep shots mostly. And we haven't thrown that many that have been super close to connecting. That plays into that number significantly. 

 

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think we’re also at or near the bottom in illegal contact and defensive holding calls drawn FWIW. 

 

I’ve noticed a couple of times in the last few weeks where there was a borderline PI call we didn’t get, usually with Diggs as the target. And whether Diggs or other, our WR never fought through the contact to go towards the ball. I honestly think it would’ve been the difference in at least 2-3 occasions. When there’s so much contact that a ref feels forced to throw a flag, the WR almost always gets the benefit of the doubt. But when the WR still winds up with a semi-fair chance at making the catch, the refs are much more likely to let it go. 
 

It’s kind of like the NBA, where offensive players initiate massive amounts of contact with defenders, because they know they’ll usually get the call if there’s any gray area at all. 

[Big Turk]

On 1/3/2024 at 11:43 PM, NoSaint said:

I can’t say our wr group is particularly fast/agile causing guys to grab to avoid being beat or great at creating the right contact in contested catches

 

to the latter id be curious how they coach them on coming back to the ball etc… as drawing the call is a bit of technique too 

 

The one maddening thing about Diggs is he doesn't fight back thru the defender trailing for the ball...would have gotten an easy call versus the Pats if he did and a few other times too.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 1/4/2024 at 1:06 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Diggs had a great chance to draw a PI last week if he just stops running and let's the defender crash into him on the underground ball Josh threw while scrambling. The defender had no idea where the ball was.

Davis has had at least two other such plays where he makes little to no effort to come back to an underthrown ball.  

Yeah, it’s a trait all our WRs don’t have.

 

Our WRs adjust pretty well to low throws as Allen throws a lot of balls that die out, especially on in-breaking routes. Two or three times a games our WRs are having to dive/slide on the ground.

 

The problem comes on deep routes. There is a whole category of routes that our WRs can’t do. None of them come back to the ball, fight through contact, high point the ball, or win a contested catch in the air.

 

With Gabe Davis, Allen literally has to throw perfect balls that land in his arms because he can’t do anything else but run straight. 
 

 

 

 

Edited January 6 by Straight Hucklebuck

[JerseyBills]

On 1/4/2024 at 1:03 PM, BearNorth said:

Kelce has been called by himself for 3 OPI penalties this year.

He has truly declined big time, it's obvious watching him run routes, he lost a step and it shows in Mahomes play. Diggs is still a great route technician

 

To the op, I really don't remember many p.i's besides Diggs a few times. 

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, it’s a trait all our WRs don’t have.

 

Our WRs adjust pretty well to low throws as Allen throws a lot of balls that die out, especially on in-breaking routes. Two or three times a games our WRs are having to dive/slide on the ground.

 

The problem comes on deep routes. There is a whole category of routes that our WRs can’t do. None of them come back to the ball, fight through contact, high point the ball, or win a contested catch in the air.

 

With Gabe Davis, Allen literally has to throw perfect balls that land in his arms because he can’t do anything else but run straight. 
 

 

 

 

Davis has some great "toe drag swag" plays in his career but ya he seems not able to get open short to intermediate