Captain Hindsight Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Beast said: Where would Tre play next season? Not in front of either Douglas or Benford. Don't be ridiculous. If Tre was healthy he would 100% be starting over these guys. Tre White is an all pro. Benford is a good corner and so is Douglas, but the Bills would much rather have a healthy Tre White, as would most of the league 1 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: Don't be ridiculous. If Tre was healthy he would 100% be starting over these guys. Tre White is an all pro. Benford is a good corner and so is Douglas, but the Bills would much rather have a healthy Tre White, as would most of the league Agree although a healthy, but slower Tre White would be a candidate for a move to safety IMO. Achilles injury is tough. Because more so than the ACL it really affects explosiveness which for a zone corner is a possible issue. If you are getting Tre back and he is healthy but he is a tick slower because he doesn't have the same explosion I am interested in whether they'd consider him at safety. But I will caveat all of that with the only way Tre is back is if he is willing to take a pay cut. If he still wants to play football his best chance of being a good player again is on this team where he knows the scheme inside out, knows the coaches and knows his teammates. The only new guaranteed money for Tre on his current deal are the $1.5m roster bonuses which guarantee early in the league year in 2024 and 2025. So the Bills have leverage to discuss a new contract with him. They have to account for $10.3m of money that he has already been paid, but if they gave him say $6m of new guarantees in exchange for cutting in half his base salaries the next two seasons (from $8m to $4m in 2024 and from $10m to $5m in 2025)... which would mean his cap hits come down to $12m and $11m rather than $16m and the Bills would still have a pretty easy out after 2024 (probably for circa $6m rather than the $4m it is now) then I could see a route where he comes back. We'd be essentially asking him to give up $9m in possible earnings for the guarantee of $6m in new money and a chance to re-stablish himself in a place he feels comfortable. 1 Quote
Beast Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Don't be ridiculous. If Tre was healthy he would 100% be starting over these guys. Tre White is an all pro. Benford is a good corner and so is Douglas, but the Bills would much rather have a healthy Tre White, as would most of the league Tre coming off an achilles is not going to start over either Benford or Douglas. 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Question What teams Cap would be more "Dire" The team with Their QB on a Long term contract, 44 players under contract and Over the cap by 41M Or The team without their QB on a long term contract, 37 players under contract and over the cap by 41M 2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Think Von retires? how much would that save? I wish they would have put him on the NFL Exempt list. Voided the guarantees and then could have cut him easy. Retirement wont save much they will be able to force payback of the prorated signing bonus etc Think Eric Wood situation. Quote
NoName Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's not a good fit at Safety at all. Cut him outright and save the money, OR offer him something like 3 years/$18M with like $15M guaranteed. He gets some more guaranteed money and we significantly lower his cap hit. Other than that, he is welcome to test the market. Why is he not a good fit at safety? Given the injury history, why would we guarantee so much upfront? Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted January 4 Posted January 4 32 minutes ago, Beast said: Tre coming off an achilles is not going to start over either Benford or Douglas. Hence “if he is healthy” Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Hence “if he is healthy” Yes, no doubt. The problem is that Achilles are long painful rehabs and often you never reach top speed again. Tre's talents were never as a speedster but in instinct and technique. I think you could get something out of him, but I doubt we see #1 CB level from him next year. Maybe in 2025, but that's a lot of patience and money to have him ride the pine. Quote
TheFunPolice Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Tre White is going to be back, and will be good. According to Rodgers, Tre was at the Achilles factory with him and Dobbins, rehabbing away like crazy. Also, from what I've seen/read, Achilles recovery is now a pretty sure thing, like a broken bone, but just takes a long time. Tre should be good to go, especially since he didn't rush anything and stretch it out prematurely. If you let it heal the right way it has a high success rate. Better than a knee because it's straightforward. Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Tre White is going to be back, and will be good. According to Rodgers, Tre was at the Achilles factory with him and Dobbins, rehabbing away like crazy. Also, from what I've seen/read, Achilles recovery is now a pretty sure thing, like a broken bone, but just takes a long time. Tre should be good to go, especially since he didn't rush anything and stretch it out prematurely. If you let it heal the right way it has a high success rate. Better than a knee because it's straightforward. At this point, the only thing I would take Aaron Rodger's advice on is recreational substances. 1 1 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: At this point, the only thing I would take Aaron Rodger's advice on is recreational substances. Even then, buyer beware Quote
TheFunPolice Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: At this point, the only thing I would take Aaron Rodger's advice on is recreational substances. I get that, but him pointing out that Tre is there rehabbing was a good sign, IMO. The stuff about Achilles healing is not from Rodgers but all the sports medicine guys who have been weighing in on the whole thing all season. Basically that it's a straight forward repair and recovery but needs the proper time. Tre should be good to go. It was said by many of them that an Achilles is a more straightforward recovery than an ACL, for example, with less chance of any long term impairment of ability. Edited January 4 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted January 4 Posted January 4 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea the counter balance for the $41m over the cap is 44 players under contract which is among the highest in the NFL. The maths has been done before but there are ways to get under the cap without taking any of the really hard decisions. The question is how much are they willing to take those decisions to give them the flexibility to re-make parts of the roster (secondary particularly). No. The biggest flaw in his game is his transitions (i.e go from moving backwards to moving forwards or from moving laterally to moving vertically). If you can't transition smoothly as a safety you are toast. Except the Bills do not have 44 players under contract next season. They have 39. Spotrac shows 44, but that number includes 5 players with cap hits in 2024 due to void years. Those players are Floyd, Hyde, Jones, Settle and Matacevich. Spotrac link 1 Quote
brianthomas Posted January 4 Posted January 4 IF Tre comes back i wouldn't expect him to move back right into the starting role right away. The team will likely work him back into the rotation slowly, like they did this past season. With the 3 of these guys, Sul, Benford & Tre, there's no need or reason to move any of them to any other position. You simply plug & play based on who is available or deserving of the time. If all are fully healthy & competing for the same time, then perhaps u can make a move. But its just absurd to talk about now imho, moving Tre to safety. Its just not gonna happen & theres no need for it. Seems wiser to just get a safety to replace whoever is leaving. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 18 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Below is the complete list of players that we have under contract next season, by position. Players in italics have an out in their contract after this season: QB: Josh Allen RB: James Cook Nyheim Hines FB: Reggie Gilliam WR: Stefon Diggs Khalil Shakir Deonte Harty Justin Shorter TE: Dalton Kincaid Dawson Knox Zach Davidson OL: Dion Dawkins Connor McGovern Mitch Morse O'Cyrus Torrence Spencer Brown - Ryan Bates Ryan Van Demark Tommy Doyle Alec Anderson DE: Von Miller Greg Rousseau Kingsley Jonathan DT: Ed Oliver LB: Matt Milano Terrel Bernard Dorian Williams Baylon Spector CB: Rasul Douglas Christian Benford Tre'Davious White Taron Johnson Kaiir Elam Siran Neal S: Jordan Poyer Damar Hamlin ST: Tyler Bass Sam Martin Reid Ferguson We currently sit $41.4 million over the cap. I'm sure Beane has different restructure and cut plans in place already to get us under. But there is a lot of work to be done. Though it is good to see so much of our core in place. Go with that, draft WR in rounds 1-2 then fill in the rest of the roster. Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 16 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I get that, but him pointing out that Tre is there rehabbing was a good sign, IMO. The stuff about Achilles healing is not from Rodgers but all the sports medicine guys who have been weighing in on the whole thing all season. Basically that it's a straight forward repair and recovery but needs the proper time. Tre should be good to go. It was said by many of them that an Achilles is a more straightforward recovery than an ACL, for example, with less chance of any long term impairment of ability. I know I am not up to date on the latest in sports medicine, but last I had heard Achilles was harder to come back from than ACL. Quote
Iraq Vet Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Beane will do an excellent job of cuts and restructures, I am not worried about that at all. The bigger problem is Beane has to hit several home runs in the draft and cheap FA's. He finds decent cheap FA's because of our reputation as a good team with a good culture with a top 5 QB... but we need home runs, Like Douglas (I know he was a trade)! Beane will cut some aging players... the issue is he needs to have an amazing draft for once. Not just a good or decent one. One of those drafts that people talk about for years. That is the only thing that will keep us relevant with our high cap numbers for the next 5 years! Quote
TheFunPolice Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 52 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I know I am not up to date on the latest in sports medicine, but last I had heard Achilles was harder to come back from than ACL. it's weird, because all the stuff you read says achilles is a career killer, but these sports surgeons say that it's no longer that and in fact is pretty straightforward, just long/difficult but good results can be expected Of course, they're the ones doing the surgeries, so... Edited January 4 by TheFunPolice Quote
BearNorth Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Douglas has a $9MM cap hit next year in his contract, but he will also be 30 in August. With his size and [meh] speed do you move him to safety eventually. Not sure that a 30 yr old CB is going to get a lot of top dollar offers. Gilmore is playing this year on an $10MM contract. Quote
Airseven Posted January 4 Posted January 4 The OL playing respectably lightens the burden. OT + C should still be mid-round picks at the very least. WR, DL, and S are quite a mess. Quote
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